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mollymay 05-15-2013 11:54 PM

More curiosity on bits
Ok ok I know I have posted here asking what bits you all use on your horses for barrels. I put out that I use a simple snaffle, nothing fancy, but now that we are really starting to work I find he slightly fights me around the barrels. He will turn fine for the first few walking/trotting of the pattern, but about the third time walking it or trotting it, he starts tossing his head and fights the bit. :-| I've been doing lots of work on him and his shoulders turning into the barrels, but the nasty head tossing is driving me nuts! haha Any great bits you love?!

Phly 05-16-2013 12:00 AM

Your issue isn't the bit. Though different bits could help if you can be lighter or if the snaffle fits wrong.

I personally think your issue is too much barrel work. He's getting sick of it. Tired and bored.
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BarrelRacingLvr 05-16-2013 12:12 AM

How are you asking him to turn? What exactly are your hands doing?

Also is the snaffle single jointed or double jointed?

cowgirl4753 05-16-2013 12:17 AM

Have teeth issues been ruled out as well?
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mollymay 05-16-2013 12:25 AM

Ok I'll start at the top: barrel work I only really do about once a week since I'm still trying to build endurance on him- don't get me wrong he is fast, but I want him to be reliable so I only do barrels really only one day.
His bit is single jointed, and when I ask him to turn I shorten and lower the inside rein and if he turns into the barrel too much I use my inside leg, and vice versa if he is turning to wide I put pressure with my outside leg. Now I would like to say we have yet to lope the pattern I have only walk/trotted it.
I asked my trainer today about his teeth and what he thought. He said it could be his teeth since he is six and that he might just have a sore spot.
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Phly 05-16-2013 12:33 AM

On the one day though, how much barrel work do you do?

And what else do you do with him?

Teeth and bits, and hands are also an option for an issue. But I just see "barrel" horses go wrong ALOT! Now hopefully that's not the case. And you're doing things to build a good solid mount that can race.
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Sharpie 05-16-2013 12:44 AM

If he's good to start and then worse as you go on, my thought would be pain or just tired, especially if you're just getting him into shape. He's fresh and ready to go to start, then starts getting tired and not wanting to work as well for you. Either that or some piece of tack starts making him more sore and he starts getting irritable.

mollymay 05-16-2013 12:55 AM

Getting tired could be it, between warm up and working the pattern im on him for about 45 mins.

When I'm not doing barrel work on the other days we do a LOT of trotting/jogging straightaway and in small circles, practice rollbacks, I'll take him into our outside arena and trot over logs and railroad strips that have been set up, walk him between obsticals. I mainly focus on trotting in circles and keeping his lope consistent though and then to cool down we go walk the property. I just want to be clear I don't do all of these things every time I ride. I try to change it up and keep his mind constantly working. Sometimes I stick to just walk, trot, lope, and stopping at all speeds, then another day we will work in the outside obstical area, but for the past few weeks we have ended with the cool down walk over the property.
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Phly 05-16-2013 01:09 AM

Ok let's look at the horse maybe. Breed conformation. Some flat ass don't like it. Some aren't built to turn. And others have rocks in their heads and will do anything, no matter how bad they are at it.

Guess what I'm saying is maybe you don't have a "barrel horse". But maybe you do and he wants to smoke barrels.

Young, old, history, training (you're a trainer too now). That's really help as I've no idea if you're on a Shetland or a Percheron.
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Aesthetic 05-16-2013 08:35 AM

For head tossing i use draw reins and a running martingale. Doesnt exactly stop head throwing but it sure does help in collecting him around turns. Do you have any videos of what he does?Most people jump to conclusion on he horse. If he isnt sore or tired or whatever, it coukd be wrong hand position, lack of control, or confusing him. is he new to barrels? have you been asking him to flat out turn or are you doig drills to help gather his haunches or shoulders? An o-ring or d-ring is always difficult unless your horse is trained properly, for barrels at least.

Videos of a few turns or patterns at his ood and bad could really help us out.

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