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Britt 05-17-2013 10:01 AM

Stallion-searching: Which one for my mare?
 
I’m looking to breed my mare for the final time later this year (in about two or three months). Since this will be her second and final foal, I’m wanting something pretty nice, and can afford to find a stud that’s more suited to her (my ‘limit’ on stud fee’s, though, is $250). I’ve been looking and have found four studs that I really like. One of them is located just down the road from me and I’ve always loved him, but he doesn’t really compliment my mare all that well. The other three are in Tennessee.

I have permission to post pictures of these stallions, and I would like some opinions on which one most compliments my mare. The stallions-owners only request is that there are no critique’s of the stallions, just opinions on how well they do or don’t suit my mare and why or why not.

First off, here’s my mare. She’s a Tennessee Walking Horse (unregistered, though), and is nineteen years old. My plans for the resulting foal will be mostly as a trail horse, though maybe a few ‘just for fun’ shows here and there (obstacle challenges, trail challenges, etc…).
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(Stallion A)
This stallion is nineteen years old and registered as “Last Chance” in the TWHBEA and RHAA. He’s owned by a breeder just down the road from me. Stud fee: $0, as I would get a free breeding if I chose this stallion because the owner of this stud is a family friend and see’s me like a grand-daughter. This is the one that I absolutely adore, but I know he doesn’t suit my mare that well.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...Picture203.jpg

(Stallion B)
Registered TWHBEA as “Kir Royale”, this stallion is only two years old (I’m pretty sure). His sire is Eb’s Wind Dancer, but I’m not sure about who his dam is. He’s homozygous champagne (ee Aa ChCh). Stud fee: $250

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...KirRoyale1.jpg
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(Stallion C)
TWHBEA registered “Kneival’s Pushin Starbucks” is a 2010 double agouti cremello tobiano stallion (ee AA CrCr nT) He is a 3X Reserve World Champion in SSHBEA Sport Horse (2012 2-year-old pole bending, 2-year-old barrel racing, and 2-year-old reining RWC). He is sired by Kneival’s Pusher Man and out of Starbuck’s Main Lady. (I’ve seen him in person as well, and he’s really nice… my only real ‘issue’ with him is that he’s shorter than what I like, but that’s not a major issue) Stud fee: $250
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http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...Starbucks2.jpg

(Stallion D)
This stallion is a homozygous black, homozygous tobiano triple registered Tennessee Walking Horse stallion (TWHBEA registered as “General Hector”). His sire is WGC “Colors in General” and his dam is TWHNC WC “Generators Winning Colors” (who is a full sister to “Generator’s Color Guard”). He is DNA tested to be homozygous for the tobiano gene and homozygous black (EE aa TT) Stud fee: $250
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http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...eralHector.jpg http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ralHector1.jpg
So, opinions on which stallion would cross best with my mare? I’m kinda partial to General Hector. I really like how his neck is set onto his shoulders, but other than that, I can’t tell how he would cross with my mare. I know that she’s a little heavy in the front and has a low-set neck, but that’s about all I can pick out.

Sahara 05-17-2013 12:18 PM

My first thought after looking at this post? I'd be feeding all of the horses and breeding none of them.

Golden Horse 05-17-2013 01:17 PM

My first thought, I must be some sort of snob because I wouldn't breed any of my mares to a $250 stud, think far to much of them for that.

My second thought, IF I could only afford that money for stud fees I would probably take my $250 to the local auction and buy the best weanling being run through, I'd probably have to buy two though to use up my money.

My third thought, I know nothing of of walkers, so can't input on which you should choose. If I did input it would be a little hypocritical, because I don't think you should breed her period.

Britt 05-17-2013 01:39 PM

ETA: The pictures of all the studs are prolly several months old or older. I don't think I have any real recent pics of them. I am not asking for any type or critique on anything, weight or otherwise.

I'd just like to know which one best compliments my mare, because regardless, I AM going to breed her to one of them and want to choose the best one for her that would throw the nicest conformed foal, specifically a nicer head, neck, and shoulder set.

Britt 05-17-2013 01:40 PM

I could afford more on stud fee's, just don't really want to go much higher, because out here, $250 is a LOT for a stud fee.

Sahara 05-17-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Britt (Post 2543026)
ETA: The pictures of all the studs are prolly several months old or older. I don't think I have any real recent pics of them. I am not asking for any type or critique on anything, weight or otherwise.

I'd just like to know which one best compliments my mare, because regardless, I AM going to breed her to one of them and want to choose the best one for her that would throw the nicest conformed foal, specifically a nicer head, neck, and shoulder set.

In that case, close your eyes and do "innie, minnie, mynie, mo". None of them are breeding worthy, including your mare, so it really doesn't matter. Take her to the free one, you will save money that you will need later.

And how can anyone say which will throw the nicest conformed foal if we can't critique anything??????

smrobs 05-17-2013 01:55 PM

Personally, I wouldn't want to breed your mare as her conformation leaves a lot to be desired. That's not to say that she's not a nice horse, I'm sure she is, but I wouldn't want to reproduce that steep shoulder and weak hind end...among other issues.

Not only that, but like others have said, I wouldn't breed to any of those studs, regardless of the stud fee.

The problem with breeding to studs with cheap stud fees is that the studs just aren't that good. There are conformational issues with all of them, most of them are underfed and generally not well cared for.

Add to that, the only reason the last 3 are studs is just because of their color. I'd lay odds that if they'd been born bay or sorrel, they would have been gelded when they were weaned...or earlier.

You can pick up a much better quality horse at your local auction (or off CL) for much less.

dbarabians 05-17-2013 01:58 PM

If you bred the colt to the pinto or the cremello you could register the foal with the Palomino Horse, or Pinto registries. Colour does add value.
Those are not good pictures of either your mare or the stallions so I really cant tell which is best suited to your mare.
If I could I would ignore the part about no critique and tell you what I thought.
As it is the pinto seems to be the best of the 4. Then again I know very little about walkers.
If 250 is a lot of money go with the free one. good luck. Shalom

Golden Horse 05-17-2013 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britt (Post 2543034)
I could afford more on stud fee's, just don't really want to go much higher, because out here, $250 is a LOT for a stud fee.

Genuine question, is that because the horse market is so poor down there that stud fees are universally low, or just that walkers are that cheap.

Up here, $500 is for a mediocre meh type stud

$750 would give you a nice workman like horse,

$1000 opens the door to the level I would want to breed my girls to.

texasgal 05-17-2013 02:06 PM

I know VERY little about Walking Horse conformation .. they are VERY different from most other horses... so I can't add valuable input.

Some of the nicest horses I've ever met were TWHs though...


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