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goingnowhere1 05-19-2013 08:12 PM

A new bit and a question
 
I started leasing Chevy (Chevas) almost three months ago, and he has come such a long way. The first time I rode him he was filthy as crud and a big unshedded fluff ball. He hasn't been worked at his full capacity for about four years, he's been a pasture pet or a light walk/trot mount. Before hand, he was doing fourth level dressage. Which I one day hope to do.
Anyway, my little 18 year old was put in a full cheek snaffle, and I found that it wasn't the bit he was professionally ridden in. Today I tried out a much too big (he's a 5" and the bit was a 6") French link loose ring snaffle, and he was SO SO SO much better. He had better brakes and he was responding better. It was amazing. I'm going to go buy his size this week so I can move him into that. Also, my new bridle is coming in too. I can't wait for my man to look all fancy!!

As for my question, when I ride Chevas I will have a good speed and impulsion, but he won't go up into the bit. I'll (I know I'm not supposed to) take up more rein thinking that my reins are just loose, and I'll have contact, but then we go back to going behind Or breaking at his neck. He doesn't seem to want the contact I offer, and he will never reach into the bridle for stretching at the trot, but he'll do it at the walk.
A lot of the time he'll go behind the bit, and I don't know what to do since he's moving forward.
For "collecting" he'll be hollow through his back, and once I do three inside rein squeezes, he'll usually go into my hands, but he's totally broken at his third vertebrate (or he'll go behind the bit)
Any suggestions to help fix it?
By the way, by contact, I don't mean going round and on the bit, I just mean a light steady contact because when I go ask him to be round, that's when I start to have problems and I can't even get the contact.
I hope this makes sense. Thanks!
Pictures could be uploaded if it helps.

Kayty 05-19-2013 11:23 PM

Do you have an instructor?
It is impossible to give you straight advice over the Internet without at least seeing a video of you and your horse in action, as your definition of 'forward' may not be true forwardness.
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hemms 05-20-2013 12:55 AM

What about teeth? Chiro?
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tinyliny 05-20-2013 02:14 AM

Will he follow the bit down if and when you do "long and low"?

goingnowhere1 05-20-2013 06:46 AM

I have a weekly instructor;however, I have a hard time understanding how she wants things done. I'll try to get photos up again.
At the walk, he LOVES to do long and low, but at the trot he could care less. I'll ask him and he'll just round his neck in a lower frame, but not stretch into it and down. I know I'm putting enough leg on because we're flying around the ring (since he feels free without a bit)
I have absoloutley no control over chiro or teeth or shoes. He hasn't been reshod for 2.5 months. I just lease him, I don't have the money to go get a vet or chiropractor.

goingnowhere1 05-20-2013 06:50 AM

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Yes, the saddle is too small. I have since brought my own and my balance is much better on him, now. This was also a very slow day for him. This photo is when I asked for him to get round. He does a "pretty" neck (that breaks at the third vertebrate) and goes along with no rein contact. This usually happens also if we are moving forward at a good pace.

goingnowhere1 05-20-2013 06:52 AM

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If we have rein contact, this is how he usually looks. We can be barely moving and this is it, or we can be trying to maintain control after cantering, and we still look like this. He's broken at the vertebrate.

faye 05-20-2013 02:54 PM

Sorry but the horse is going fast but not forwards. From those photos he is not using his back end nor is he tracking up, he looks to be backing off your leg as well (but couldnt tell for sure without a video).

jaydee 05-20-2013 03:09 PM

When a horse goes like this (or the way you seem to be describing it) I call it running around as opposed to working between your seat, leg & hand.
I wonder if someone's had him in draw reins, tight side reins or a sharp bit that he didn't want to make contact with because he looks as if he's been forced into a frame/headset position that way rather than ridden and schooled into it
If his backs hollowed he cant be pushing from behind to propel forwards but is pulling himself along with his front legs
He's going to need some serious chiro work if you don't sort it out because he's putting strain on all the wrong places

goingnowhere1 05-21-2013 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jaydee (Post 2569969)
When a horse goes like this (or the way you seem to be describing it) I call it running around as opposed to working between your seat, leg & hand.
I wonder if someone's had him in draw reins, tight side reins or a sharp bit that he didn't want to make contact with because he looks as if he's been forced into a frame/headset position that way rather than ridden and schooled into it
If his backs hollowed he cant be pushing from behind to propel forwards but is pulling himself along with his front legs
He's going to need some serious chiro work if you don't sort it out because he's putting strain on all the wrong places

Any suggestions on how you might fix it?


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