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SpiffWilkie 12-26-2008 03:08 PM

Please help with saddle info *lots of pics*
 
I am trying to find out any info I can on this saddle that I currently have. I am intending to sell it. Please note though, this is not intended to be a for sale thread, I just want to be as well informed as I can so I can get/give a fair price on it.

What I know so far is that it is a western style saddle made by Cleburne Saddle Shop in Cleburne, TX. I have posted pics in another horse forum and have had estimates from $300 - $1500 for the saddle. I was originally told that it was 17" but it looks smaller than that to me, so hopefully someone can set me straight on that as well. (I don't know how to measure exactly, even after reading some help pages. So if the picture with the tape measure helps, please let me know the measurement). I don't know what kind of saddle it is (as of a couple of days ago, all I knew were western and English. I had no idea there were all the different subsets of those! :shock:). Any info anyone has would be appreciated. Thanks! I apologize for the many pics!
http://morrisonfam.com/photos/IMG_0117resized.jpg
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http://morrisonfam.com/photos/IMG_0139.jpg

luvs2ride1979 12-26-2008 04:45 PM

You need to measure from the base of the horn to the front edge of the cantle. It looks like it measures 17", but because of the sloped seat and cut back at the front, it likely rides more like a 16".

It looks like a nice barrel/all around saddle. The tooling is very nice and it's in good condition. There doesn't look like there's much flare to the front of the tree unfortunately. If you replaced the latigo and shined up the conchos, you'd be able to get more for it and sell it quicker.

In this slow market, I'd say you'd probably reasonably get $400-800 for it, depending on where you listed it and how quickly you wanted to sell it. Do you know how much they go for new? That would help. You might want to contact the manufacturer with photos and the serial number.
Cleburne Saddles - Custom Saddle Maker | Home

SpiffWilkie 12-26-2008 05:48 PM

I have actually tried to contact the maker twice by email but haven't heard back. I was hoping that with the serial, they could give me a list of original specifications and "options" (for lack of a better term) and price. It is my understanding that they are expensive, but I haven't heard a firm number. I'll give them a call in the coming week and see what I can find out from them.

Thanks for the info though. I appreciate any and all help. I have had this saddle for 5 years and just need it out of the house now :)

Joshie 12-26-2008 06:22 PM

That looks like a Simco flower on the saddle. Does it look anything like the flower in this picture?

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC00539.jpg

iridehorses 12-26-2008 07:51 PM

SpiffWilkie, welcome to the forum.

Cleburn is a decent maker and your saddle is a nice example. What I'm a little concerned about is the condition of the latigo. It's not that it can't be replaced. it's just that if it is in that shape, what is the rest of the leather like? On the surface it looks fine but how supple is it without cracking? The seat shows that the saddle was well used.

On the assumption that it is in good condition, it could bring $700-800 on ebay considering the economy and time of the year. I don't think it's a barrel saddle but an older equitation or pleasure saddle, possibly a reiner, but I could be wrong. In any case, a nice saddle.

SpiffWilkie 12-26-2008 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iridehorses (Post 217561)
SpiffWilkie, welcome to the forum.

Cleburn is a decent maker and your saddle is a nice example. What I'm a little concerned about is the condition of the latigo. It's not that it can't be replaced. it's just that if it is in that shape, what is the rest of the leather like? On the surface it looks fine but how supple is it without cracking? The seat shows that the saddle was well used.

On the assumption that it is in good condition, it could bring $700-800 on ebay considering the economy and time of the year. I don't think it's a barrel saddle but an older equitation or pleasure saddle, possibly a reiner, but I could be wrong. In any case, a nice saddle.

Well, being the expert that I am (please note the sarcasm :D), the leather apart from the latigo (I never knew what that was but I remember hearing that in the Garth Brooks song :-)) seems to be in good shape. I haven't noticed any cracking. I might get a friend here who rides to take a look and give me her opinion on the leather condition. Thanks again for the information.

SpiffWilkie 12-26-2008 08:41 PM

O.k. quick note. I inspected the saddle closer for cracking in the leather and the only thing I could find of note was the leather (I'm going to get a bit technical here, so bear with me!!) where the hanging down part of the saddle wraps around the stirrups, has a little cracking (will try to post pictures later). On that note, is there something that I can do to treat the saddle to prevent it from cracking when it is put back in use? Some leather conditioner or moisturizer(?!) of sorts?

luvs2ride1979 12-27-2008 12:29 AM

I would highly recommend Hydrophane Leather Conditioner. It won't darken the leather (much) and it does a great job of conditioning and waterproofing. It will help soften the leather as well.

First clean the saddle thoroughly with a glycerin saddle soap bar (or spray bottle) and water. Use a small sponge and just keep cleaning and wiping with a cloth until your suds aren't brown ;). Use a toothbrush to get in all that tooling. Use a dry toothbrush to get the soapy residue out of the cracks once you're done.

Let the saddle dry, at least a couple of hours (overnight is fine) and then put 2-3 layers of Hydrophane on it. Coat the cracked areas especially well. Let the saddle dry overnight before using it (or taking new pictures, it will look darker while the oil is still "wet").

luvs2ride1979 12-27-2008 12:33 AM

Hydrophane: Hydrophane Leather Dressing: Legacy Tack

Good soaps:
Pharmaka Lederseife Saddle and Leather Soap: Legacy Tack
Fiebing's Glycerine Saddle Soap Bar: Legacy Tack
Pessoa Gel Soap: Legacy Tack

iridehorses 12-27-2008 06:51 AM

L2R is right on with her recommendation of Hydrophane. I don't think there is a better product on the market for restoring or maintaining leather.

I would clean it with the glycerin soap as she said, give it a coat of oil, let it soak in then take the stirrups off and oil the leather again. The part that you are referring to is called the stirrup leathers, and the wide part that comes down into the leathers is called the fender. The leathers and fender go up into the saddle and around a slot in the tree - that is another place that may be a problem. If it is very dry then it could break with weight on it like there would be with a rider - it may not happen for a while but it could happen. That is an extreme case of dryness and may not be the case with your saddle but it would also need to be oiled.

Also notice that where the fender swings against the skirt, there is some color that has been worn away. That happens when the fender has gotten dry and the edges have gotten sharp enough to actually wear the leather. A well oiled and cared for saddle would show some darkening there but not wear. That happens with a cheap saddle but shouldn't happen with yours.

I think the saddle can be saved but it really needs maintainance.


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