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Wallee 05-24-2013 09:33 AM

Horse Just gives up after a little work!
 
I got a few colts in to start for a client of mine and I have 3 to get started under saddle, out of the three one is being a little difficult. What she does is, after she is worked for a few mins on lunging/flexing/backing and other general movments she will be sweating(None of the other horses are even comparing to the amount of sweat this one does in the same amount of time and work). I do not think it is nerves either because I have earned the horses trust and I have her ok underhand as long as I dont ask her to do a lot lol. I have also noticed she is the type of horse that you cant nit pick or be agressive with her at all or she just acts as if she dont understand. Any other trainers out there have a suggestion for working with this mare? I mean should I just take it alot slower with her and just work her a Few mins a day or? I dont mind taking it slow, but you know how clients can be.... I need it all now! ha ha

JustDressageIt 05-24-2013 09:45 AM

Sounds like she's shutting down, becoming unresponsive. Happens when they get over-faced.
Will reply more when I have a full keyboard.

walkinthewalk 05-24-2013 09:47 AM

I'd be looking at health issues. My thought is that something is physically wrong with her.

It could be she is in pain from a skeletal issue or something internal could be wrong, that could range from heart issues to kidney's, ulcers, metabolism.

If the owner has three young horses with you, surely they would be willing and have the finances to have the filly get a thorough vet check, including blood work?

Wallee 05-24-2013 09:47 AM

Sounds about right, awaiting that full reply!:D
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt (Post 2605417)
Sounds like she's shutting down, becoming unresponsive. Happens when they get over-faced.
Will reply more when I have a full keyboard.


cobra 05-24-2013 02:15 PM

You said young horses - how young? Sounds to me like she is perhaps not as developed or mature for her age as the other two. I agree w/ asking owners about a vet check & blood work.....jmo....

Wallee 05-24-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra (Post 2607225)
You said young horses - how young? Sounds to me like she is perhaps not as developed or mature for her age as the other two. I agree w/ asking owners about a vet check & blood work.....jmo....

She is either 4 or 5 I believe, i will check papers and make sure. I prefer to start at around 3 but they are not my horses.
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beau159 05-24-2013 03:43 PM

If the horse is truly not ready to be worked mentally, then a good trainer will tell the owner just that, and have them just turn the colt out to mature. If the horse is 4 or 5 years old, I would expect it to be mature enough, but there are always exceptions. When I was training horses for people, I made sure they understood if a horse was a slow learner, because I am not going to rush the horse because "they owner wanted it". But that's just me.

How much sweating are we talking here? Some horses are sweaters. Does she act like she's not feeling well during it?

Some horses ARE more sensitive than others. Some you need to get aggressive with to encourage them to move; and others if you did the same thing you'd cause a blow-up. It's all about reading the horse. Hard to explain over the internet. Best if you had someone in person you trust that could help you with this horse.

Corporal 05-24-2013 03:46 PM

I agree that she is overfaced. At some point, if you push her with the current training, she will probably explode. I suggest you treat her as an unbroken 2yo, and start her training over again. I would use my computer or a pad of paper and list what she knows, what she doesn't know, and make a plan to fill in the holes.
THIS horse is very green. She doesn't understand that you want her to take a cue and keep moving. So.....start with asking her to lead correctly, back correctly, turn on the haunches, or disengage the haunches, turn on the forehand, and stand quietly...for hours. Ask her to take just ONE step in any direction, then lots of praise. In fact, ask for just a step or two on command and praise the heck out of her when she obeys. You can stop in between exercises and just rub on her for a good 5 minutes to reassure you that you are not the herd leader who intends to put her through the fence!
You want her to learn that she should immediately respond to a cue, but not run away in terror. As you probably already know, a horse that plants his feet and tenses up is getting ready to rear, buck or bolt OR all 3. Certainly it is a defensive posture.
Since you will be retraining, expect to spend up to 10x as long on this horse as you would if you were starting an un-scarred youngster.
Hope this helps. =D

Wallee 05-24-2013 04:38 PM

Corporal, I feel as if you hit the nail on the head! I am just going to take longer with her. Beau159 she doesn't act well when she gets to that point. And it take a few mins to get there, I have vet papers on her as I do on any horse who comes to my place for training. Beau she seems give out to me.
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Saddlebag 05-24-2013 05:42 PM

How's her ticker? Just because she's young doesn't mean it's strong. That will get a horse sweating after a little work. This isn't a respect issue. If she has allergies and her airways aren't functioning properly her heart will work harder. Perhaps you shouldn't work her until a vet has given her a good workup.


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