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equestrianforever 05-28-2013 11:27 AM

Bucking away from home
So I wasnt totally sure which thread to post this under but ohwell

Anyways when i ride my horse at home he is soo great walk trot and canter. He almost never spooks and does what I want him to. He doesnt usually try anything but of course we have those days lol. Then whenever i take him away from home to either a show or to my barn that i have lessons at he acts like a completely different horse! He will spook at things and hes real nasty to other horses. He bucks and is just crazy! My trainer said i should try a kimberwicke bit or one of those harsh bits ONLY when i take him to shows.
But why do you think he goes crazy at other places when he is so good at home? What else can i do to control him? He is 6 and green but still i dont know why he is just so crazy

Corporal 05-28-2013 12:00 PM

You own a green horse. I have owned over 30 horses in the past 28 years. When I bought my (now) 15yo mare as a 10yo, she was a seasoned CW Reenactment Horse, and I bought her from the owner at the 145th National Gettysburg, after who KNOWS how many different riders she had had over the years, as well as 4 foals.
JUST LIKE my old herd that I kept until each passed away from old age and infirmities, she NEVER bucks or shies.
I would start watching and you have cable or satellite--and PAY ATTENTION to their advice about working your horse HARD in the arena until your saddle pad is wet. You want your horse to look forward to being tied up for an hour after he's worked so he doesn't have to be schooled anymore.
ALSO, you need to learn to both ground school and ride every session with a plan where your horse has one transition after another, numerous changes in direction and speed, lots of lateral work and backing--VERY BUSY schooling sessions to keep his mind off of misbehaving.
At some point, a horse that is worked as close to daily as possible with busy schooling gets soft, responsive and eager to work.

shoreline 05-28-2013 12:07 PM

Putting him a harsh bit wont only turn places other than home into a more negative experience, but he'll probably get even more pissy and misbehave even more. I recommend just working slowly with him. If you can, just take him somewhere else to lightly hack or walk around. Give him treats and have him relate positively.

waresbear 05-28-2013 12:22 PM

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Some horses get all goofy when they are out of familiar surroundings, especially my show horse. He is 13 & will still get goofies when I take him some place new. It takes me about 10 minutes now, used to be longer when he was younger, to take him through his exercises to get him listening, flexing, rounding his back and stretching his neck and seeking out bit pressure. Your trainer should fix your "toolbox" with touchstone exercises at home that are to be used at a show or on the trail or where ever he starts to come unglued. Lately it has been raining here like crazy and my arena is like soup, I have a heavy show schedule this spring so I have to work my horse no matter what. I do live on a 2 mile long deserted road with huge hills so that is my training venue right now. There is logging happening at the bottom of one of these hills, lots of heavy equipment & a huge, monsterlike woodchipper very near the road. My horse was a ball of nerves but I worked him on the one side of the woodchipper (it is running & blowing chips), worked him on the other side of it and let him rest briefly in front of it but about 60 ft away but in his direct view. Within an hour, even with the odd car going by, we were doing a nice relaxed pleasure jog. That's all because I have tons of exercises to focus him back to me that I practise regularly.
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Foxhunter 05-28-2013 01:09 PM

When you take him away from home and he starts messing around set him to work and really mean it. Trot and canter until he is breathing heavily and then set about getting him to do what you want to do. A harsh bit will do absolutely beggar all and if an instructor told me it would cure this sort of problem I would be looking for a different trainer.

equestrianforever 05-28-2013 02:25 PM

Corporal- I actually dont have cable/satellite :-P At my last show we were in the practice ring getting warmed up and he was antsy but he didnt buck or anything but once i went into the big show arena he started getting really freaked out. You said to work him realllyyyy hard during schooling, I do. Every day (unless its raining or some other reason that there would be no possible way to ride) I ride him for an hour. I warm up walk trot canter, then work on his collection then i do circles and things to keep him busy. I jump 1-2 times a week also. He is sweaty at the end but not soaking because hes in shape.

Shoreline- yeah thats kind of what i was thinking. But i use a oval link egg-butt which is really light on his mouth and he will just run right through it if he wants to so thats why she told me to get a harsher bit

foxhunter- but the thing is when im not at home he will just run right through the bit like he doesnt care. I definitely wouldnt use the harsh bit at home only at shows

Corporal 05-28-2013 02:41 PM

A horse can trot ALL DAY. Work on cantering exercises. REALLY get him so winded that he won't to pick up the canter, THEN walk him cool for 30 minutes. THEN, tie him up, untack him, and let him stand for a few HOURS. When I trained an OTTB to do Reenacting, I took him to an event and I worked circles, figure-8's, cantering, riding through streams, etc. on his first weekend. HE was exposed to a LOT more stimulii than yours is being exposed to. By the end of the Sunday afternoon battle, all he could do was walk. He was safe around gunfire and cannons after that.
I still say, he's green. I put more than 1,000 hours under saddle/year on ALL of my horses when I had them in my lesson program. We trailered them everywhere and took them trail riding.
One person cannot duplicate this, so you have to train smart. I would also work the heck out of him whenever he spooks at anything as a punishment for not thinking and not listening to you.
We make too many excuses for our horse's bad behavior, but it is bc we put up with it. I watched Julie Goodnight's program filmed last winter, and she was working with the owner of an 8yo super calm Haflinger mare. Her only problem was backing straight through an obstacle. THAT mare got that way bc she was worked and worked and worked and worked and worked and worked and worked--correctly.
You can tolerate some problems in your dog that you should NEVER tolerate in your horse, who is 10x your size.
Get online and look up Clinton Anderson, and his method. I think this will help you. =D

Foxhunter 05-28-2013 03:11 PM

foxhunter- but the thing is when im not at home he will just run right through the bit like he doesnt care. I definitely wouldnt use the harsh bit at home only at shows[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter if he is running through the bit - forget that when he is messing around, just get his butt into gear and work him hard. When he is tiring then you can worry about stopping him from running through the bit.

I could not care how a horse is going if it is being an idiot, I will keep him moving hard and when he is tiring worry about collection.
You can have a really good horse at home but unless it behaves away from the familiar it isn't any good!

Years ago a friend brought a young horse to its first ridden show. He was green in the arena with all the other horses as she was the only one who rode him and always on her own. He did nothing untoward and was pulled into the front line for the judge to ride.
Friend is short and judge was tall so, when the horse felt a pair of legs way down his sides he freaked. The judge dismounted and never rode him.
Once the class was over I took the horse and rode him. Now this horse was going beautifully, active, forward moving, on the bridle but he had never been 'nagged' He had never had anyone turn and slap him on the backside, kick him forward or mess around on his back. I did all this with the poor horse freaking at all the things I did to him!
The final straw was when his owner came into the area with her other horse. I made her dive bomb the youngster! She rode alongside overtook from behind - the final straw was when I was on the outside track and she was cantering towards us. I knew she was going to leg yield away, she knew she was going to leg yield away, her horse knew they were going to leg yield away but the youngster didn't! he leapt sideways took off bucking with me. He was heading towards the high rails and people sat eating their lunch the other side jumped up and grabbed the table shunting out the way!
I turned the horse - not easy as I was on a long rein and laughing. Next time the same manoeuvre was performed he never flinched. At no point when I was riding him did I bother about him being on the bridle or how he was going, I was only bothered about his reaction the strange (to him) things.

Later he went in for another class under the same judge. This time there was no reaction to him being ridden by a long legged man. He won the class and in the Championship, which I rode him as friend was riding her other horse, he won the championship.
After, the judge said to me "That horse is one heck of a good ride, glad that he was nagged during the lunch break because I would never have had the pleasure of riding him!"

waresbear 05-28-2013 03:33 PM

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I still say get your trainer to give you some exercises to focus, lift, flex and these exercises can be done anywhere and on a relatively loose rein no matter what you put in his mouth. Sure, take the edge off of the horse, but I don't want a tired horse under me in the show pen, I want one fresh & ready to perform. If your trainer can't give you an arsenal of these tools, I would rethink my training program.
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Corporal 05-28-2013 03:38 PM

Nobody wants a tired horse at the show, but you can't get an obedient horse at the show without the work done at home. It's just like raising kids, when it comes down to it.

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