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QHriderKE 06-12-2013 10:08 PM

My Hot Tamale Locomotive on the pattern
She's a busy horse. It's just how she is, she isnt po'd, I swear!

Just doing some exercises, trot only!

Barrel Practice w/Squiggy - YouTube

QHriderKE 06-13-2013 12:34 PM

I notice she is sort of bowing out on the backside of the barrel nowadays. :/ Never used to do that!
So, I just need to push her hip in and keep pushing it in to create more hindquarter drive?

OutOfTheLoop 06-13-2013 12:41 PM

I'm no pro trainer, but I have put a few on barrels and did well.

I see the pocket being to large and she isn't required to move her rear like she should. She doesn't have any ' ohh I need to move my butt around' its more of a 'laalaalaa deedaa' if that makes sense.
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beau159 06-13-2013 01:47 PM

I don't have time to watch the whole thing, but even when you around the very first barrel in the video, she is swinging her butt and not engaging it. So yup!! Use that outside leg (back just a tad) to keep that hip IN and being used. You can also make sure she's got her nose tipped to the inside.

After watching a few more I think you were just asking her to turn too SOON. Make sure you keep your knee (or better yet, Squiggy's hip) at the barrel so that the barrel is behind you in the turn, if that makes sense.

Dena's video probably explains it better than me.

Also, do you ever do barrel exercises with Squiggy? Or do you always do just the cloverleaf pattern? I went to a Judy Myllymaki clinic earlier this year and it was just fantastic. My favorite drill she calls "The Quad"

Set up 4 barrels in a square. Each barrel should be 35 to 40 feet from each other. Start in the middle. You have got a barrel to your left (#1) and a barrel to your right (#2). Turn barrel #1 going to the left. When you come out of that barrel, then barrel #2 is ready for another left turn. When you come out of that barrel, then barrel #3 is ready for a left turn. THen #4. Then start at #1 again. And keep going!! It's a nice continuous exercise that keeps that hind end enageged and lets you practice a barrel turn without souring them on the pattern. Start at the walk, then progress to the trot, and finally lope. And of course, go both directions.

My other favorite drill of hers is a simple circle with one barrel. Pretend the barrel is on the edge of a 60 foot circle. Again, walk first, then trot, then lope. Go around and make a perfect 60 foot circle. When you are approaching the barrel, get ready to turn it 360 degrees around. Then continue on your 60 foot large circle. This is great for anticipators, because you can "skip" the barrel every now and then to keep them listening to you. You are working on keeping the hind end engaged the whole time, making a perfect 60 foot circle, and making a good barrel turn.

QHriderKE 06-13-2013 04:33 PM

The only exercise I've done lately is working the pattern continuously from all sides, Fallon Taylor has a video on it.

JustaSkippenJess 06-15-2013 10:19 PM

I didn't watch the entire video, but from the first bit that I saw I agree with a previous poster about her not engaging her hip. I feel like the pocket size is fine but really make sure you are using your outside foot and asking her to engage her hip and not allow her swing her butt around her front end, that causes for loss of forward motion on the backside and coming out of the barrels.

I noticed that when you are stopping at your rate spot and asking a step or two back she is tipping her hip to the inside, is this you asking her to do this or her just doing it? Either way, that is how I train my barrel horses, they stop at their rate spot and tip the hip slightly to the inside. The reason for this it reminds them to engage that hind end when approaching the barrel and working off that inside hind foot for the power and momentum to get around the barrel instead of swinging their butt around or dropping their shoulder into the barrel.

Make sure and ask for a little bit of nose to the inside and a rounder body position going into your barrels to make sure that the horse doesn't go in too straight and end up dropping their shoulder.

Just some ideas. I really like my horse's to have a nice supple and rounded body around the entire barrel. I don't like being on my horse's mouths at all around the barrels and teach them to work off my body position and legs mostly.

Good luck with your training with Squiggy! He/she is a beautiful horse!!

OH!! and I just read the last of what beau had posted. YES YES YES make sure and do exercises with the barrel turns not only on the barrel pattern to ensure your horse doesn't get sour and starts to second guess you. I like to work the pattern but work each barrel turning the same direction starting at the first barrel, moving to third then coming back to second. The four barrel exercise is great too! Switch it up!

SorrelHorse 06-17-2013 05:25 AM

If you do some 360s on the back of the barrel it should help her out too. Here's a video of Sherry doing them with Harley:

Not only will this help her with fading out, but it will help her keep her front end up and hind end down. If the front is moving, the hind end had to stay planted.

I add more drive into it when I do it then what Sherry is doing in this video, but I have ridden more push style horses who need it so I get after them really hard to spin and drive out of their 360s. However, since Squiggy is more sensitive, you might not want to mash on her too much. Do what others have suggested, tip that hip in, make the shoulders lift, etc.

Fun tip too, you can get a really nice sliding stop out of a horse by stopping them and immediately spinning. I got after Selena a lot like that and let me tell you she plants her butt now. It can be applied anywhere the hind end isn't engaging and the shoulders aren't lifting.

QHriderKE 06-17-2013 03:55 PM

She loves doing rollbacks, I did Sherry's rollback exercise with her the other day, so I will fit this is some day too.
Between Sherry and Dena, there's just to many things I can do!!!!!!

SorrelHorse 06-17-2013 04:09 PM

You could do some all lefts and all rights too, if you want to mix it up on the pattern. I do a ton of all-rights on Selena because that's her bad side.

QHriderKE 06-17-2013 06:41 PM

Squiggy doesnt really have a bad side :/ it depends on the day lol. But she would still benefit from all rights and all lefts. I also like setting up just two barrels and working them so there is no start point and no end point. She's too smart to have a specific start and end point at home.

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