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Skyseternalangel 06-13-2013 06:45 PM

Hoof Pictures, How is he?
 
I am going to be blunt... I have absolutely no idea how good feet should look as in balance, length of toe and heel, angles, etc. So I truly need help.

When I get back to the states I plan on renting Pate Ramey's Under The Horse dvd so I can learn more about hoof care. But for now I don't really have access to them as even if I do buy them from the states this type of DVD player here wouldn't play them.

But all that aside, here are the photos. He hasn't learned to stand square yet.. so he is awkwardly standing in every photo. He only has shoes on the fronts, and has consistently bent the front right shoe and then threw it yesterday.


Front Left
http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps17a26de7.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps61db3b6a.jpg

Front Right
http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...psf65d92f8.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...psde5cc1b2.jpg

Hind Left
http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...psc0f93aa6.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps319afc76.jpg

Hind Right
http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...psa9320998.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps10c34db4.jpg

Hinds
http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...psa0299147.jpg

Wallaby 06-13-2013 07:19 PM

I see toes that are "too long"/stretched forward and underrun heels allll the way around (fronts are worse than hinds, his hinds are better, angle-wise, though still not "great"). It does appear like they could straighten themselves out within a few good trims. I don't see anything that's really really terrible, imo. Just some issues that definitely need addressing. :)

Hopefully someone like loosie or Trinity or deserthorsewoman will come along and say something more useful. I'm basically just subbing to see what they say. :lol:

But yeah, re:what we were talking about yesterday, with hooves like these, imo, I could definitely see him having a hard time being completely barefoot and sound. :hug: At least it's fixable!!

Kayella 06-13-2013 07:25 PM

Like Wallaby said, long toes and underrun heels. It also looks as if his right hind is beginning to contract in the heel. It also looks as if he may have some deep sulcus thrush going on with how his frogs look. Is he off at all? He may be ouchy because of some thrush going on on top of all his other problems. And ditto Wallaby again, everything can definitely be an easy fix within a few trims.

ETA: The possible contracted heel in his right hind may just be some deep sulcus thrush tricking my eyes. I'm new at this :wink:

waresbear 06-13-2013 07:25 PM

The back hooves have a good heel, however the toes could be trimmed more. His fronts are not what I would call an acceptable job, heels are getting underrun and the toes are too long. The farrier brought the heels of the shoes in toward the frog, giving it no room, recipe to develop contracted heels.

Skyseternalangel 06-13-2013 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waresbear (Post 2793746)
The back hooves have a good heel, however the toes could be trimmed more. His fronts are not what I would call an acceptable job, heels are getting underrun and the toes are too long. The farrier brought the heels of the shoes in toward the frog, giving it no room, recipe to develop contracted heels.

He previously had them set back but Sky kept bending the front right one, and threw a shoe yesterday.

I'm still not happy with his feet. They're miles better from the blocks they were last year but I'm still not happy.

princessfluffybritches 06-13-2013 08:24 PM

The horse looks a lot overdue for a trim. Like the posts above, fronts especially, toes are way too long, and they have a broken angle from the pastern, meaning the angle of the hoof doesn't match the angle of the pastern. You can see that they don't. But, there's plenty of hoof to work with.

totalfreedom 06-13-2013 08:26 PM

You must be planning on taking him barefoot if you are gonna get Pete's dvd set. He has some articles on his site worth reading.......and then reading again......and again. :D Here's a quick link Pete Ramey writes about white line disease thrush navicular disease hoof balance

This is another barefoot site which I like. Bare Foot Horse This site is worth reading over and over again. In fact I would suggest you start with your reading on this site before you begin reading Pete's articles. That way the articles at Pete's site will make more sense to you.

If you watch tv then give it up for a week or two and become a sponge and read everything from those two sites.

There's nothing too serious I see on those hooves. Just the average of what happens in shoes, and a trim that isn't done in a way that allows the hoof to grow and function as it should. There's quite a bit of flaring going on in the fronts, especially at the toes. Get the breakover back on those toes and keep the hoof wall nice and rolled on a consistent basis and the hoof will grow to the nice round shape it should be.

On the backs you could roll the walls right now because there are no shoes on em. The hoof walls need a good rolling, and as they are right now it's encouraging flaring and keeping those cracks around. Roll those walls and all of that will go away. And remember to roll the walls ALL the way around the hoof wall, not just at the toes, but all the way around the hoof.

As for the heels.............

Sorry, but I'm just pulling a blank on the proper name for the crack/valley that runs along the frog. So I'm just gonna call it the valley for now. Rasp the heels to just above the living sole plane. Like an 1/8" - 1/4" above it. But you also need to keep the rasp parallel to the valley that runs along the frog. You can see that the depth of the valley near the heels are very deep and up near the tip of the frog is shallow. You need to keep your rasp parallel to that valley and the heels will get back in line to where they should be.

tinyliny 06-13-2013 08:36 PM

sky,

I am like you, don't know a lot about hooves. But, I am wondering. in the photo of both his rear feet, his pasterns appear to have some "bumps" on them. It could be an optical illusion, but it kind of reminds of photos of ringbone Ive seen

but, looking at other views of his feet again, I don't see that bump, so it must be an optical illusion

Skyseternalangel 06-13-2013 08:44 PM

Thank you for all of the sources and links!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinyliny (Post 2794490)
sky,

I am like you, don't know a lot about hooves. But, I am wondering. in the photo of both his rear feet, his pasterns appear to have some "bumps" on them. It could be an optical illusion, but it kind of reminds of photos of ringbone Ive seen

but, looking at other views of his feet again, I don't see that bump, so it must be an optical illusion

There is an old injury on the hind right pastern. It was there before he was mine, and it reopened when he got tangled in some barb wire when they escaped the pasture while I was leasing him so that would be the bump you see.

His feet don't look healthy to me in terms of color. They're usually not that red or rough looking. Could that be a result of a poor hoof supplement? I did switch him from Source Focus HF to Smarthoof.

~~~

You know the sad thing guys? He was trimmed less than 3 weeks ago. And the farrier exclaimed when I inquired about taking the shoes off that he'd be "dead lame" .....really?

Saddlebag 06-13-2013 08:51 PM

When my mare's shoes were removed going into winter, she was tender for a few days but certainly not dead lame.


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