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wiferichie 06-24-2013 02:52 PM

My gelding's hooves. Navicular? Founder? Thrush...LONG story
 
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I got my horse 2 months ago. Before we got him, he was said to have navicular, and by navicular, i mean he got overweight (no exercise and was fed too much grain), became a bit lame, and then a single xray showed slight signs of navicular change (or so i'm told - the previous owner is "debating" on whether or not she wants me to see the xrays) - so they immediately put wedge shoes on and never did anything else about it, just left wedge shoes on for years. He also had neglected teeth and after I got those fixed, he gained a lot of weight and started limping again. I had a farrier come out, take the wedge shoes off, give him a trim, and I cut back on the grain. He has slimmed down some and his limping is almost gone. He is still very careful on pavement and is also recovering from thrush (WEEKS of rain did a number on him). Also, he went from no supplements to some hoof supplement. I am going to get a new set of xrays done and am hoping to get the old ones to compare. But for now, I was wondering what you all thought of these pictures? This is 2 weeks after his trim and shoe removal. The soles are flaking, but is that just shedding the weakened hoof?

farmpony84 06-24-2013 03:00 PM

when you turn sharp to the right or left is there soreness as you turn? (all the time, not just sometimes) If you hold one leg up for several moments, does he shift the weight in his back end forward or try to put the foot down?

There obvioulsy is no way of telling without x-rays and many times the vet will use the word navicular to describe heel pain. Did he not show any lameness for you until you removed the shoes or was he lame with the shoes as well?

wiferichie 06-24-2013 03:06 PM

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wiferichie 06-24-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by farmpony84 (Post 2879945)
when you turn sharp to the right or left is there soreness as you turn? (all the time, not just sometimes) If you hold one leg up for several moments, does he shift the weight in his back end forward or try to put the foot down?

There obvioulsy is no way of telling without x-rays and many times the vet will use the word navicular to describe heel pain. Did he not show any lameness for you until you removed the shoes or was he lame with the shoes as well?

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He doesn't like sharp turns to the right. He didn't mind his hooves picked up when i first got him, but after thrush sank in, he HATED his hooves picked up. The lameness started before the shoes were removed. He is much better with his hooves now (it's been 2 weeks), but he will attempt to put them down after a few minutes.

farmpony84 06-24-2013 03:22 PM

It sounds like there could be at least some heel pain in the one then. I wish the previous owner would hand over a copy of the x-rays so that you can see where it was and then if you get new x-rays you'll be able to tell if it's degenerative.

What did your farrier say about it?

wiferichie 06-24-2013 03:49 PM

he said we could try it out without shoes and if it doesn't get better, we can put shoes back on. The previous owner is making me angry - she had told me she would give me access to medical records and now she's holding back :( I am hoping it is just a weight problem, because that is 2x his weight has correlated with lameness. It makes sense, it happens to humans. Is the flaking normal, though?

farmpony84 06-24-2013 04:05 PM

I've seen that when there had been an abscess previously and then then it peels away.

acorn 06-24-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wiferichie (Post 2880449)
he said we could try it out without shoes and if it doesn't get better, we can put shoes back on. The previous owner is making me angry - she had told me she would give me access to medical records and now she's holding back :( I am hoping it is just a weight problem, because that is 2x his weight has correlated with lameness. It makes sense, it happens to humans. Is the flaking normal, though?

The white flaking on the bottom of the foot is dead sole shedding and is perfectly normal and desirable. That is what you are speaking of?

Cowgirls Boots 06-24-2013 06:36 PM

Hopefully it's not navicular disease. My gelding was just diagnosed with it and even though its not a death sentence, it's a total PITA to deal with. I would say founder but to me it doesn't totally sound as if he's foundering?
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princessfluffybritches 06-24-2013 07:57 PM

I would get her to take back the horse and refund your money. She sounds untruthful. The horse may have been diagnosed with Navicular and therefore was not really ridden anymore, and got fat. He may have Navicular changes due to what he used to do, or it could be genetic. He had it for years? I'm sure she's aware of the problem.

If you're keeping him, he is possibly going to need special shoes, maybe pads, possibly pain killers. I think you should get your own xrays.

The farrier did a nice trim for hooves that are going barefoot.

You should be mad. I hate it when a good person is lied to .
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