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palogal 06-28-2013 01:17 PM

Now I've heard everything...
 
Today I was told that a running martingale saves the mouth.

head...desk.

deserthorsewoman 06-28-2013 01:22 PM

Well...it does ........the mouth of the rider....horse head cannot make contact with face/mouth of rider with martingale.....:twisted:

DancingArabian 06-28-2013 01:40 PM

I think in certain circumstances it could. Would it help if a rider is very heavy handed or who uses the reins for balance? Instead of all their weight on the poor horses mouth, it would be somewhat deflected by the reins.

No evidence to support this. It's just a thought as to why someone would think so.
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palogal 06-28-2013 01:41 PM

LOL I suppose that's true.
The ring makes a lever that multiplies the force on the bit. (edited because it sounded much snottier than I meant it :) )

tinyliny 06-28-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DancingArabian (Post 2919234)
I think in certain circumstances it could. Would it help if a rider is very heavy handed or who uses the reins for balance? Instead of all their weight on the poor horses mouth, it would be somewhat deflected by the reins.

No evidence to support this. It's just a thought as to why someone would think so.
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deflects it off their mouth? how can pressure on the rein, thus onto the bit, be deflected off the mouth by a running martingale? pressure applied to the rein is pressure applied to the rein. you can change the angle that the pressure is applied, but the same amount would come through.

If the horse raises his head or the rider lifts the rein enough to engage the martingale, then some of the pull become downward pull, rather than straight back or upward. downward pull brings the bit more to bear onto the bars of the horse. Does that save the mouth? maybe takes pressure off the corners of the mouth, since pulling straight back does put pressure there.

Boo Walker 06-28-2013 02:38 PM

me-thinks someone needs to take a physics class or two :think:

palogal 06-28-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo Walker (Post 2919546)
me-thinks someone needs to take a physics class or two :think:


That was my response, masked with a cough to disguise my laughter. This is a trainer that does this....

DancingArabian 06-28-2013 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tinyliny (Post 2919378)
deflects it off their mouth? how can pressure on the rein, thus onto the bit, be deflected off the mouth by a running martingale? pressure applied to the rein is pressure applied to the rein. you can change the angle that the pressure is applied, but the same amount would come through.

If the horse raises his head or the rider lifts the rein enough to engage the martingale, then some of the pull become downward pull, rather than straight back or upward. downward pull brings the bit more to bear onto the bars of the horse. Does that save the mouth? maybe takes pressure off the corners of the mouth, since pulling straight back does put pressure there.

Bear in mind that I was just trying to figure out why someone would think this and I was NOT stating I believed it.

If a rider is leaning on the reins, all their pressure is directly on the horse's mouth. If the reins are passing through the bit and to the girth, wouldn't some of that pressure on the mouth be lessened and distributed to the girth as well?
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natisha 06-28-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DancingArabian (Post 2919770)
Bear in mind that I was just trying to figure out why someone would think this and I was NOT stating I believed it.

If a rider is leaning on the reins, all their pressure is directly on the horse's mouth. If the reins are passing through the bit and to the girth, wouldn't some of that pressure on the mouth be lessened and distributed to the girth as well?
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No, the girth just holds the bottom of the martingale down. The reins go through rings & there should be no pressure unless the horse tosses or raises it's head past a certain point.
I will sometimes use a running martingale as it gives instant pressure & release. I adjust it pretty loose so a horse has to really be a head tosser before it comes into play & even then the rider still has a choice on how much pressure is applied.

stevenson 06-28-2013 04:47 PM

i hope that the martingale is not attached to a bit with shanks..


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