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Cherrij 07-01-2013 04:52 AM

Critique a 3yr old, please
 
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Hello, I would like to ask for more knowing opinions than mine on this horses conformation..
Sadly, just one pic, and its not the best one, but I wanna hear what you can say.
I see upright pasterns, straight hocks, straight shoulder, quite low neck set.. Yes, his condition is not the best, but we are working on it. its not easy to get some mass on him, but he gets extra feed all the time! Attachment 222633

His feet are being worked with, the ferrier said we will see with the next trim what we can do (it looked like he only had had 1 trim in his life, and that was at least a year ago, so his feet arent great, and so the angles are off for pasterns too)
I will later try to get better shots of all his legs etc, but cannot promise anything atm.

Elana 07-01-2013 08:10 AM

This horse has one of the steepist shoulders I have seen. He is a bit pigeon breasted with a low neck set. He has good bone and large roomy hocks. He is balanced but I bet he will be a rough ride at the trot.

He is very much in need of groceries, worming and perhaps dental work.

I wish I could see the horse behind him.

If they are both in the same shape then the difficulty with putting mass on this horse is simply insufficient feed or insufficient nutrition in the feed or even inadequate fresh clean water. Period.

I have to say it.. I will never in my life understand why folks put up photos for critique of horses that are excessively thin. It is like throwing up a flag and saying "see how I don't care for my horse! See how I don't have enough feed for him!" I see it too much!

Show me a photo with BOTH horses. If this is the only horse is thin shape, then he needs a vet visit. If they are both in thin shape, then you need a visit from your feed dealer.

CandyCanes 07-01-2013 08:57 AM

Oh my good lord... His shoulder is extremely straight. Like Elana, I've never seen a straighter one.
His neck is really low set, and I could never see him doing an extended trot.
He also looks caved in behind, and I think his hind quarters are a tiny, tiny, tiny bit weak.

Cherrij 07-01-2013 10:08 AM

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Thanks for replies guys.
First off - HE is not excessively thing - he has got quite a bit of baby fat on his neck... and if any horse with lack of muscle cuz all these 3 years he has stood in a paddock and done nothing, and showing ribs is starved, then well... I got not much to say...
I know he is thin, but not to the point that he looks like he has been starved.
I got the horse 3 weeks ago, in the old place he was eating hay and oats - both unlimited.... on a sand pasture... he wasnt happy. Here he has grass. The other one came from 24/7 pasture place and is actually a bit fatty :D not in a athletic shape at all.
Second, We have just started lunging this horse, very minimal amounts - he has never been trained for anything at all - we had to teach proper leading, raising legs, trusting etc, before starting to do anything else.. .
Third, I give as much as I can and vet is scheduled to come soon to worm them both and look at their teeth ( we think this one still has his baby teeth, as he turned 3 years old 2 months ago!!!)
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Here is the other one... small chubby-ish thing...


CandyCanes - that is what I thought and saw too.. when he has his excited trot its more of a prance, with no big, pretty extended steps... he looks soft enough in all gaits, but time will show, also fixing his feet and training him to build muscles and balance himself out.. I was just curious about what conformation faults he has... tbh, sometimes I think he has got the front from a half draft, but the hind from a wobbly sports horse :D

Boo Walker 07-01-2013 10:25 AM

Have you treated them with psyllium yet? Coming off a sand lot they may have sand in the gut which prevents them from utilizing feed.

Cherrij 07-01-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo Walker (Post 2940794)
Have you treated them with psyllium yet? Coming off a sand lot they may have sand in the gut which prevents them from utilizing feed.

Never thought of that, will ask my vet. Its not popular here to keep horses on sand ( well this case was more like mud/sand, eg bare field, just black earth and rocks... dusty oats and not the best hay roll I seen.... )

Elana 07-01-2013 12:07 PM

The other horse looks MUCH better.

Honestly, I would fatten this horse up a bit and try to move the sand along (if there is any) and worm and so forth.. get his weight up before lunging him.

I think he will make a very sturdy, honest and reliable trail horse.

Cherrij 07-01-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elana (Post 2941514)
The other horse looks MUCH better.

Honestly, I would fatten this horse up a bit and try to move the sand along (if there is any) and worm and so forth.. get his weight up before lunging him.

I think he will make a very sturdy, honest and reliable trail horse.

Well, the other one comes from another place and is older... and actually works...

If there is so much concern that I dont care for these horses, I can of course explain again - the horse has not been trained to respect people much at all, nobody lunges him for even 20 minutes which 3yr olds should do, he gets a few rounds on each side to get him used to listening to me or anyone else anywhere.. otherwise he still is a huge beast that can pull anyone away where he wants to go.
As he spends the rest of the time sleeping in the pastures or grazing, then the few minutes of "play/work" do not harm him.
And, yes, the vet will come and give her opinion and worm him, etc etc.

SorrelHorse 07-01-2013 01:53 PM

If you are going to lunge this horse and want respect, do not only go in circles. Make him change direction frequently. Yeild his hindquarters and forequarters. Back him up a LOT. Nothing will be accomplished from trotting in some circles for half an hour. Get him flexing from side to side softly in the halter. If you can't do this yet because he is too strong, go to the round pen and get him changing directions (Turning into you) and facing up when you ask him.

Get a knotted rope halter on him and if he tries to pull away, grab both hands and give him a good yank. He'll learn.

Cherrij 07-01-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SorrelHorse (Post 2942802)
If you are going to lunge this horse and want respect, do not only go in circles. Make him change direction frequently. Yeild his hindquarters and forequarters. Back him up a LOT. Nothing will be accomplished from trotting in some circles for half an hour. Get him flexing from side to side softly in the halter. If you can't do this yet because he is too strong, go to the round pen and get him changing directions (Turning into you) and facing up when you ask him.

Get a knotted rope halter on him and if he tries to pull away, grab both hands and give him a good yank. He'll learn.

He does most of it, apart from I do not have a round pen, so that part is not possible. The first thing he learnt with me was to back up. He actually learns fast, behaves well and causes no problems, he acts better than lots of other youngsters I know...

At the moment when we try to bend him with his neck, he turns his body...
then again that is affected by the fact he only sees with one eye... but also because of that he turns his head around a lot anyway :P


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