how do you seperate business and personal horse stuff?
Seeing Allie have this conflict about selling Denny to get her dream horse has really brought up a lot of questions about horse ownership.
I do not want to offend anyone, I just want to know how someone can do it.
When I got my horses, I got them because I liked them and they have then become a part of my family, and I could never give them up (even though I did have my mare up for sale, I never did sell her. I feel that when I handed over the money to the owner for my horse (or dog or whatever animal) I made a commitment to them. I chose to them to be their forever owner.
How do those of you that, for you job, buy, train and then resell horses? Don't you get attached? Or do you get attached but you do your best to keep it strictly business? Do you have to be a certain type of person to either view your horse as part of the family as opposed to a business deal?
Like I said, I do not want to offend anyone and I dont want it come across that if you are a business man/woman you do not view your horses as part of the family, but I just needed something to distinguish the two.
I wonder this also, I have been wanting to sell Diesel because he's not what I want in a riding horse anymore...I just love him too much to not be able to go out and see him.
I don't understand how people can buy and sell horses...
Good thread :)
What I do for work has nothing to do with horses and I leave it that way. My horse is my outing from the world, he is the one I go to when I am stressed out or simply want to go enjoy myself. My horse is family to me and it's always been that and will always be. It's a question of priorities I think and the way you value things. For some people it's strictly business and that's what works for them but you will also find that those people don't use horses are their outing from the world. They value other things as more important.
To me Cobalt is my buddy, part of my family.
I'm the same way - I could never sell my horse.
I have been brought up in a world of buy, train, sell. It does not bother me one bit.
Of course I get attached, which drives me to train them well and find a good home for them; if I feel they wouldn't be suited for someone, I say so, and refuse to sell.
I am completely distraut about the whole Denny thing... as it turns out, Tiffany (FehrGroundRanch) has been an amazing friend through this whole thing and has offered a place for Denny to stay if I can't part with him.
When I look at a resale horse, I look for conformation, mind, pedigree and trainability. I am looking at making an investment. I don't let my emotions get in the way, it's a business decision. I am there to make a bridge between seller and hopefully a dream buyer.
In the end, it wasn't hard to let Dancer, Cinzano, or Maia go. They were investments. I cried a little at their parting, but at the end of the day, I don't really miss them, and I know all 3 are in GREAT homes.
The horse world that I'm in sees horses as disposable. Not enough training? Sell it and get a better one. Not winning enough? Sell and get a better one. Not tall enough? Sell and get a bigger one. Too old? Sell and get a younger one.
Yes, the mentality gets to me a bit, but it's the world I grew up in. My trainer told me from a very young age that if I ever got approached by someone at a show asking if my horse was for sale, to say yes, because you never know what they might offer.
When I look for a horse for ME, I go with my heart. That's what Denny was. I saw him and had to have him. He tugged at something in my heart. He is a horse I would be willing to take a financial loss on if I needed to rehome him, and would only concentrate on finding a good permanent home for. I didn't care that he was 300 pounds underweight or waay overpriced... I paid it because I could, and have not looked back since.
It's very hard to explain how I can differentiate things like that... I mean, I could never sell or give away my cats or dog... I don't know what makes horses different.
Hopefully this will change with my next horse.
I've never sold a horse. I did trade Style just yesterday. She's the pony I got last winter that turned out to be just green broke and not child safe. She is kind and loving and I put alot of effort into her, I had her completely despooked and almost good for the farrier. I feel really bad trading her because she was happy here and she trusted me. But I already have crippled horses, and retired horses... baby horses, fat horses.... It broke my heart to leave her yesterday but It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.....
Like Allie i grew up in the world where you don't keep the same horse through your riding career. and i still believe that for my students at the barn who want to keep progressing. if they're looking to buy a horse when they first start jumping, their primary needs are something that is very quiet and very experienced. it doesn't need to be very fancy or able to jump too high. but if they continue to progress they will need something that is able to jump higher and quietness is important, but not as big of a priority. very few people can afford to get a horse that is able to jump big, show successfully at the upper divisions, be quiet enough to teach them to jump, and young enough to jump higher each year.
as far as buying investments go that's a tough question and it probably depends on each person AND the horse. i go into every horse purchase knowing that it's not my horse. my pleasure does not come from owning the horse, but making it. a trainer i know once said, "why do we love training horses? because we are making art". i thought that was awesome and that's the way i see it. i bought this one pony out of pasture that was basically unbroke. he was also a bit of a maniac.:-) last summer i went to a huge A show and watched him completely pack his little 7y/o around and win reserve champion against some very fancy competition. THAT was cool. when i sold him i was sad, but no tears. this pony i have now? i really really love him. he's not even on the market but on saturday another trainer at our barn called me up and told me that someone was coming out that afternooon to look at him! i panicked and almost said no. i think when he leaves, there may be a few tears. but when it comes down to it, i want to fill the world with good ponies! :D plus, there is always something exciting about horse shopping and starting a new project. at least, that's what i tell myself when the trailer is driving away!
Although I do not make my living with horses, I have been around them pretty much my whole life and bought my first horse nearly 30 years ago. In that time I have owned/trained/bought/sold 87 horses (that includes ponies and one mule). Some horses I've had for years and some only a day or so. (I've kept a log on a database for every one - actually I bought a pony for resale when I was a junior in college and that was 42 years ago).
I've had only a handful that are truly memorable. I bought the vast majority of them for resale (I LOVE to buy and sell - motorcycles, horses, cars, boats, RC planes - pretty much anything that I enjoy having).
When I buy a horse for my own use I will try the horse out for as long as it takes to determine whether he will work out for my purpose. If I feel the horse will work for me I put a lot of time in him/her. If I feel the horse will not work, I have no problem trading or selling him.
It costs to keep a horse - time and money. If I can't get the performance or enjoyment from the horse there is no point in keeping it. There is an old adage that I believe in: "It costs just as much to keep a good horse as it does to keep a bad one" - I think a bad one costs more when you take into account the frustration or lack of enjoyment my horse is supposed to bring.
I've learned years ago to separate my heart from my head when it comes to buying or selling a horse.
This is a very interesting question for me right now too. I purchased my first horse about 6 years ago and I am now in the position of having to re-home him. I have struggled over the decision for over a year and have cried many nights over it. So, I wonder how people purchase horses, take the time to train them and then sell them after they have that relationship with them. I know that it is a business to some, but I don't know if I could do it. I would probably end up keeping everything I buy and going completely broke.
I really like what iridehorses posted. It's interesting because we all come from different walks of life, we all come with different life experiences and stories so the answer is going to be different as many times as there are people who answer it :-)
Growing up I also went thru a few horses but all of them were to teach me new things. The first one I had was a schoolmaster, a mare that had done it all. She was 15 yo when I bought her and I chose her because I knew she would be teaching me the ropes. The next horse was 11 yo and the next 7 yo before I started going thru babies. Each one I bought had less and less experience and training and with the help of a trainer we trained and filled in the gaps.I learned new things and was taught new things. Tho they were good horses but they were not my "forever" horse partners. They were ones I really learned from.
I'm sure a lot of you have heard the story of how Cobalt and I came to be but with him I instantly knew that he was going to be the horse that was right for me(again thank you Julie, had it not been for your breeding program, I wouldn't have him today).
I think it's one of those things that when THAT horse comes along, you know.
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