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SnowCowgirl 07-08-2013 12:45 AM

Feel like I wasted $1300 - vent post
 
So I have a 4 year old paint/draft mix gelding. I got him in a horse trade when he was 2. Due to my life being crazy he sat untouched in a huge 300 acre pasture until this spring at 4. He was born on the range, handled only to be loaded and taken to me, caught a handful of times (in a chute) as a 2 year old, castrated at 3, then caught a handful of times over his 3 y/o winter by running into a chute, roping, or getting him into a round pen (at which point I could catch him)

I took him to a "reputable" trainer, some hot shot who is certified up the wazoo, has trained in the states, etc etc. and told her everything.. That he sometimes pulls away while being lead, is hard to catch, has tried to jump out of my arena and bust through fences, and has kicked before. I agreed to 1.5 months and on her trainer form I specified that I wanted him started under saddle at a walk, trot, canter , direct reining, moving off pressure, a bit of handling with his feet, etc.

Fast forward 2 months (she gave me half a month free of cost because she self-admittedly didnt do anything with him for 15 days except lead him around because he had a "wall up"...though I still had to pay board at $225/month)... I picked him up last week and have a horse who has been backed a MAX of 5 times and only at a walk, I "need to do more work" with his hind feet, "hates the bit".

He is NOT a mean or untrainable horse. Nervous, yes. I think she was scared of him. Kept calling him a mustang in front of people lol

Admittdely He is a lot less nervous, I did walk up and catch him the other day, and I did pick up his front feet (though I could do that before he left). But when I get on him it's going to be like getting on a first timer colt (and that won't be til I have him used to a brifdle with a bit) Which i was sooo looking forward to NOT doing for once. On the bright side, she did saddle and longe him under saddle a bunch of times and he hasn't bucked yet so that's nice to know. $1300 for that though? Never again will I send a colt away to be started.

Ugh I just have such a bad taste in my mouth. I really did have no other option cause I just moved and have no access to pens, arenas, etc... But it is still really frustrating.
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~*~anebel~*~ 07-08-2013 01:04 AM

Muffin.

Sorry, I am sick of people expecting a virtually untouched horse to be dead broke in 6 weeks. Give it 6 months, at least.
$1300? That's a little more than my board for one month. Don't want to pay? Do it yourself.
I hear this over and over and it gets frustrating to me. I know so many people who wont start horses anymore because of people who want the horse finished in a month when it'd just been pulled out of a field. Of course she's only done ground work. That's all the horse is ready for. It takes 6 months to break a horse well, imo. Want it broke quick? Take it to a trainers challenge demo. I bet they'd do it for free too.
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SnowCowgirl 07-08-2013 01:07 AM

Please don't pick on me, and if you do, do it in a nice way :) I'm just so bothered by this. I'm working a job right now that does NOT make much money (kids, don't follow your dreams if it means you'll be broke forever! Haha) and man... I need a bigger horse trailer, and a saddle to fit my mare... What $1300 could have done! But maybe my expectations were too high??
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SnowCowgirl 07-08-2013 01:11 AM

I didn't want finished, at ALL. But I did want a few rides, the horse to accept a bit, y''know? I've started several colts myself and though I'd NEVER consider them broke after that time I'd sure as heck have them going round the arena at a walk and trot and they'd definitely be comfortable with a bit in their mouth. No, he'd never been "worked" with but he was broke to lead which is as much as any colt I've ever started. Maybe I was expecting too much. I just wish she'd told me before, because I'm not sure I would have put this much money into this little return. That's all. I really believed she could do what we agreed to.
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~*~anebel~*~ 07-08-2013 01:15 AM

Yes, they were. The horse will take far longer than 6 weeks to be broke, regardless of how much $ you pay. And if some cowboy wants to bronc out the horse in a week for $100 then all the power to him, but the horse will still not be broke.

I get irked because this is the prevailing attitude and it wrecks horses and makes trainers lives not fun. When owners expect a show ready horse in 2 months it is not realistic, but of course the customer is always right...
Not picking on you, just be realistic with your expectations. Should a toddler read at a Grade 4 level in 6 weeks?
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xGirugamesh 07-08-2013 01:17 AM

If you're not willing to put in the work to break him, then why did you buy him? I'm not trying to be rude, honest. Just curious.

SnowCowgirl 07-08-2013 01:27 AM

I didn't buy him, I got him and his 1/2 sister in trade. I had planned to start both myself but was too caught up between college and work unfortunately. Then I moved 3000kms from home, sold the filly and kept the colt when he didn't sell. I am boarding and don't have anything except a large pasture to ride in so I opted to send him to a trainer because I feel like need at minimum a round pen to start a colt in.

Trust me, I'd never have considered a trainer otherwise :p

Either way, I plan to hold into him and will put the time in. I'd just expected (and been told by the trainer) that I could expect a bit more
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demonwolfmoon 07-08-2013 01:34 AM

I guess the part that sticks out here too is that the trainer led the OP to expect more. if they discussed the parameters of what the training would accomplish, why would the trainer sit back and take the horse if they couldnt do what they claimed they would??

If you cant or won't provide the service you agreed upon...dont promise you can and take money as if you did. All Im saying I guess , is dont promise the world if you cant provide the world ...

xGirugamesh 07-08-2013 01:38 AM

Ah, okay. I definitely understand why you might have trouble with that situation then. I really don't have any advice to offer, but I wish you the best of luck with him! The nervous horses are always the easiest for me to bond with haha.

SnowCowgirl 07-08-2013 01:43 AM

**** I lost the post I just typed up! (On my silly iPhone too)

Antebel, I would NEVER expect a show ready horse in 2 months. But I HAVE started colts myself who, within 2 months, were comfortably toddling down the trail and around the arena. That's from just halter broke with no prior work besides that. I told her that he would be an all-around horse and I only wanted the basics on him. I ASKED what I could expect in 45 days and she said walk, trot, lope, move off pressure. So I wrote that on the training form and I guess I expected that a pro COULD do that with a fairly nutty 4 year old if *I* could do it with others (albeit calmer colts, which is why I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt the entire time)

I guess I'm just frustrated that I expected something and didn't get it, I still don't have a horse that I can wander down the trail on behind my boyfriend on my mare, or work under saddle in the arena.

Either way, I plan to keep and work with him. In hindsight I guess I should have sold him for $200 or whatever I could get but what's done is done :)
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