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appy rider 4 life 02-23-2009 01:13 PM

Do i have to carry a crop when i ride english?? i am thinking i am going to when i ride Toby but i do not when to use and how hard i "tap" him with it. any help with be nice and used wisely. Thanks!!

Ne0n Zero 02-23-2009 01:50 PM

No you don't NEED one.. the only reason they are used is to get the horse moving off your leg.

appy rider 4 life 02-23-2009 02:11 PM

I see.. okay thanks. i know i will be using for sure now that you bring that up. because i have a feeling that me and Toby are going to but heads when we start riding again. :P Thanks again!

claireauriga 02-23-2009 02:22 PM

A crop or whip is used to reinforce leg aids if the horse isn't responsive. Many people follow a three-step rule, first asking with a squeeze, following up immediately with a sharper kick if the horse does not respond, and then backing that up with a squeeze + tap of the crop if the horse does not respond to the kick.

Also, I have been told on occasion to use a crop to remind a horse not to bulge through his shoulders. I was leg yielding with a dressage whip, working on getting proper leg yields without him bulging out. At one point the horse stopped listening when I would straighten us up, and then try again; he just kept going out through that shoulder. So I rode with my dressage whip before my leg and was able to give a gentle tap to his shoulder, just to remind him to keep it under control. After that he began listening to my usual aids once more.

If your horse is responsive to your leg you won't need a crop, but you may like to carry one if the horse is difficult to get moving. I know lots of the lesson horses at my stables will be much more forward and willing if you simply carry a crop without ever using it!

Jubilee Rose 02-23-2009 09:36 PM

I personally don't like using artificial aids unless absolutely necessary. If you didn't have a problem getting your horse to move forward western, you'll be fine English as well. You probably don't need a crop.

jemmamalone 02-23-2009 10:45 PM

Most riding schools make you carry a crop just for the fact that little kids go there and arent always good using leg aids. Most the time they are only used as a visual aid. Not hitting the horse at all... There was a law bought in in England where the jockeys wasnt aloud to hit their horses but could only hit in down in the air making the noise or hitting their own leg to make the horse move off the noise. You do not have to use one at all. And certainly dont 'hit' your horse with one if you do either lightly tap and seriously lightly or just use to make noise. But again if you horse moves off your leg you dont need one at all. Also if you have a misbehaving horse sometimes just seeing the whip can make them become calmer and more willing to work. I dont know why because my horse had never been hit with a whip and was being really bad on a ride on time. My friend told me to just hold a whip in my hand. Dont touch him with it. Dont even rest it on him but to just hold it. With in seconds he calmed down. I dont know what it was about it but he seemed to understand that he had to be better. Again he had never been hit before. hope this helps

Equuestriaan 02-24-2009 06:41 AM

I carry a crop every single time I ride. As long as you know that the crop comes AFTER using your leg, it's fine. Remember to Ask, then Tell.

upnover 02-24-2009 09:17 AM

i second everything claireauriga said. you do not need one, but you use it as a reinforcement if Toby ignores your leg. most horses that tend to ignore your leg will pay attention after a tap or two.

Snaffle 02-24-2009 10:11 AM

You only need it if you have to really "grind down" on him. How hard to tap really depends on the horse. The grey horse I ride sometimes only needs a light tap. The appy I usually ride needs quite a hard hit, and lets out a buck to show be how much she enjoys being ridden. ha.

appy rider 4 life 02-24-2009 12:42 PM

okay guys thanks!! this will be put to good use! i will have to see how it goes with Toby then if i need one i will buy one. Thanks again.

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