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TheAQHAGirl 07-19-2013 04:10 AM

Photography & Instagram/iPhone pictures **Its a rant!**
 
I wasn't quite sure where to post this, so I decided to post it here.

I kinda have a rant to get off my chest and its a growing issue with some professional photographers I know. And of course its Instagram and iPhone. I'm not sure if all of you guys have heard of Instagram but its a iPhone/iPad/iWhatever app that takes pictures and edits them.

I really don't care one way or the other on how people take pictures. But I get annoyed when I see these instagramers post pictures all over the place and calming that they are, "photographers," yet when they don't even know what the term 'photographer' even means let alone the word itself. I've even seen people PAYING these people to use their plastic phones to take pictures of them. Thats another point I want to make, why do people hire others to take pictures of themselves with phones? Why don't people hire actual photographres with Digital SLR cameras? I'm not saying that a camera with a $5,000 lens + body is going to make the best pictures, but if you ask a carpenter hes going to tell you that you need the right tools to get the job done. And certainly a iPhone with Instagram isn't going to cut it. What happens is that it takes away from other people, it takes jobs away from the actual professional photographers.

I don't know how much of this was heard, but Chicago Sun Times fired all of their photographers and replaced them with the iPhone...So let me rephrase this in a way that will make everyone question Chicago Sun Time's choices.

Chicago Sun Times fired all of their photographers, the ones with actual cameras (and expensive ones too), for a phone.

I find it saddening because I want to become a photographer/graphic designer for a career. I plan on going to college and studying in those fields, along with some business stuff. But now that I see that there are photographers out here that are having a hard time finding work because of other people hiring these iPhone people, its really taking away jobs.

Now, I'm by no means a professional photographer. Do I consider myself a photographer on some level? Yes I do. Not the higher level, but I personally think I can paint a pretty picture here and there.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5509/9...ebf10b587d.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2852/9...13cebc1308.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/9...0fac504fe8.jpg

I just get my feathers ruffled up when I see this being called photography.

http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_009...e1love.jpg?175

Since when can you control your aperture/ISO speed/shutter speed/etc. with a iPhone? There is no photography to be made with the iPhone.


Rant over.

Tracer 07-19-2013 06:00 AM

I support you all the way.

I have cousins that use Instagram all the time, HOWEVER, I know that they are also brilliant photographers (it seems to run in our family - I have 3 brilliantly artistic cousins, my sister is good behind a camera, and I'm not bad myself), so I don't mind as much.

But photography isn't about just taking a photo. It's about angle, focus, positioning... A professional photograph should be something that people enjoy looking at again and again. I personally think that a good photographer should be able to take an award-winning photo without and post-editting.

Instagram has its place, and it has potential for making the younger generations fall in love with photography. But it is NOT a professional tool. I spent over $1000 on my camera, I read tutorials, I've slaved over photoshop, I drool over new lenses and I don't like the majority of my photos. I don't mean to brag, but I'm a helluva lot closer to deserving the title of a professional photographer than anyone who posts edited selfies of themselves for the world to see.

Darrin 07-19-2013 12:41 PM

I agree, using an iphone does not make you a photographer but neither does having dropped 100k on camera, lens and other equipment.

I'm going to disagree with you on protecting jobs. If someone with an iphone takes pictures that people want to use so be it. Technology and jobs keep changing, it's our job to adapt to a changing world. It's not the worlds job to keep us employed in an out dated job.

SlideStop 07-19-2013 02:33 PM

I see your frustration, but there is no licence that protects photographers. Who say what constitutes a photographer? Is it knowing the in and outs of a camera, or good composition, or just taking photos you like? I'd consider myself a photographer, but certainly not a professional. IMO, its the professionals job to stay one step a head of the game! Nicer equipment, better composition, and cutting edge photo editing. Also, not for nothing, our barn has hired a professional photographer a few times to the tune of $5,000. Let me tell you*I *could of absolutely take just as good, if not better, BUT he does amazing work on photoshop. Does that make him a photographer... Or just a person who is really good on the computer?
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My2Geldings 07-19-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAQHAGirl (Post 3104114)
I wasn't quite sure where to post this, so I decided to post it here.

I kinda have a rant to get off my chest and its a growing issue with some professional photographers I know. And of course its Instagram and iPhone. I'm not sure if all of you guys have heard of Instagram but its a iPhone/iPad/iWhatever app that takes pictures and edits them.

I really don't care one way or the other on how people take pictures. But I get annoyed when I see these instagramers post pictures all over the place and calming that they are, "photographers," yet when they don't even know what the term 'photographer' even means let alone the word itself. I've even seen people PAYING these people to use their plastic phones to take pictures of them. Thats another point I want to make, why do people hire others to take pictures of themselves with phones? Why don't people hire actual photographres with Digital SLR cameras? I'm not saying that a camera with a $5,000 lens + body is going to make the best pictures, but if you ask a carpenter hes going to tell you that you need the right tools to get the job done. And certainly a iPhone with Instagram isn't going to cut it. What happens is that it takes away from other people, it takes jobs away from the actual professional photographers.

I don't know how much of this was heard, but Chicago Sun Times fired all of their photographers and replaced them with the iPhone...So let me rephrase this in a way that will make everyone question Chicago Sun Time's choices.

Chicago Sun Times fired all of their photographers, the ones with actual cameras (and expensive ones too), for a phone.

I find it saddening because I want to become a photographer/graphic designer for a career. I plan on going to college and studying in those fields, along with some business stuff. But now that I see that there are photographers out here that are having a hard time finding work because of other people hiring these iPhone people, its really taking away jobs.

Now, I'm by no means a professional photographer. Do I consider myself a photographer on some level? Yes I do. Not the higher level, but I personally think I can paint a pretty picture here and there.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5509/9...ebf10b587d.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2852/9...13cebc1308.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/9...0fac504fe8.jpg

I just get my feathers ruffled up when I see this being called photography.

http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_009...e1love.jpg?175

Since when can you control your aperture/ISO speed/shutter speed/etc. with a iPhone? There is no photography to be made with the iPhone.


Rant over.

I could not agree with you more. My husband and I's big pet peeve are people who call themselves photographers. Thats such a bunch of crap and it drives me UP THE WALL. I have a website, and I sell my work. People pay me to go out and take photos of baseball games, engagement photos, horse photo shoots you name it! and I would still never consider myself a professional.

Photography is an ever evolving career/hobby, unless that is what you do for a living in which case you clearly are good enough-then you are not a professional!

TheAQHAGirl 07-19-2013 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SlideStop (Post 3107130)
I see your frustration, but there is no licence that protects photographers. Who say what constitutes a photographer? Is it knowing the in and outs of a camera, or good composition, or just taking photos you like? I'd consider myself a photographer, but certainly not a professional. IMO, its the professionals job to stay one step a head of the game! Nicer equipment, better composition, and cutting edge photo editing. Also, not for nothing, our barn has hired a professional photographer a few times to the tune of $5,000. Let me tell you*I *could of absolutely take just as good, if not better, BUT he does amazing work on photoshop. Does that make him a photographer... Or just a person who is really good on the computer?
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Thank you guys for the support, SlideStop I also agree on your statement.

When I take pictures I will put them into two categories a realistic photograph and a photoshoppy-edited one. I completely agree that a photographer should take pictures that aren't edited that look fantastic, but personally (and a lot of people disagree or agree) kinda like the edited style-ish. Not the edited-to-death pictures from instagram, but a lovely edited one...If you look up Florabella Collections (on Facebook) she has nicely edited pictures that look pretty awesome.

However I fear a point in time when the composition of the picture, how much light there is, etc. is going to no longer matter and it will all be taken care of by editing. So basically, there would be no photography only just a edited picture with no composition from the original image...If you know what I mean by that confusing cluster of sentences I said, lol.

SlideStop 07-19-2013 06:24 PM

Personally I don't think good photography will ever die. A good photographer has the ability to capture more then just a moment in time. When I take photos I say to myself "is this just a photo of a dog, or is it something more?". If its just another photo I delete it or keep it for the photo album. Photo shop or "filters" will NEVER replace that essence captured by a GOOD photo! You know what else is funny, I bet people were saying the same thing with automatic focus and DSLRs were invented! ;)


Here's another thought.. who says what is art and what isn't? There are artists who have used mediums not that aren't "normal", for example elephant dung. Is it anyless art then painting done with the best acrylics and canvas money can buy?

The only person who can be the judge is the beholder of the photo, or other piece of art. Some people see a piece of wood covered in elephant crap while others find it s glorious piece of art that is museum worthy.
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GamingGrrl 07-19-2013 06:31 PM

I'm pretty sure that 90% of Instagram just uses the app to show off their day, their outfit, their lunch. No biggie.

If someone wants to try taking nicer pictures with an iPhone, why not? I enjoy taking pictures of nature that I think look nice with my phone. I consider photography a hobby of mine. Do I know extensive amounts of information on it? No. Do I know enough to snap a decent pic? Maybe.

I think people worry too much about what other people are doing and what they're calling it.

I also don't think anyone considers a selfie of a duckface photography.
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SlideStop 07-19-2013 06:32 PM

Here is the link to my deviant art account. Some are mediocre and others I'd call art. A few are somewhere in the middle.

HHeim02 on deviantART
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Darrin 07-19-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SlideStop (Post 3109410)
Personally I don't think good photography will ever die. A good photographer has the ability to capture more then just a moment in time. When I take photos I say to myself "is this just a photo of a dog, or is it something more?". If its just another photo I delete it or keep it for the photo album. Photo shop or "filters" will NEVER replace that essence captured by a GOOD photo! You know what else is funny, I bet people were saying the same thing with automatic focus and DSLRs were invented! ;)


Here's another thought.. who says what is art and what isn't? There are artists who have used mediums not that aren't "normal", for example elephant dung. Is it anyless art then painting done with the best acrylics and canvas money can buy?

The only person who can be the judge is the beholder of the photo, or other piece of art. Some people see a piece of wood covered in elephant crap while others find it s glorious piece of art that is museum worthy.
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I used to be a hobby photographer and gave up because they all turned out to be just another photo of a dog. Finally decided I just don't have the eye for photography.


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