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livelovelaughride 07-29-2013 12:07 AM

Can a difference of 9 degrees in coffin angles cause...
 
My horse has had xrays done last month and the report shows the left fore a -2 and the RF at plus 7. 5 degrees is normal, I am told.

This may be a dumb question, but my vet wouldn't comment on it. Could angles like these cause tendon and muscle tension at higher levels (fetlock, pastern and knee into the shoulder) and then set the stage for a soft tissue injury??

Tryst 07-29-2013 12:17 AM

I would think it could. Imagine walking one foot in regular flat shoe and one in a 2" set of heels.

livelovelaughride 07-29-2013 01:04 AM

I know!!! I keep thinking that's why he is still unsound even after all the joint blocks. The tendon has been shortened somehow that the joint block cannot show a soundness when anaethestisized (sp). The vet ruled out the disparity of the angles, because with the hoof blocked and the pastern blocked--there was no change in soundness.

My coach thinks we won't really know til a 2-3 shoeing cycle has taken place. My worry is if it IS a high in the forearm soft tissue injury, can the next block really find it.

deserthorsewoman 07-29-2013 01:19 AM

I would get a chiropractor involved. Can't hurt.

Trinity3205 07-29-2013 02:01 AM

I always recomeend when there is hard to pinpoint lameness present and there are confirmed big hoof isssues to not spend too much time or money tryibg to track down causes or treat it till the feet are fixed. Its often a waste of time because fixing the feet fixes the problem. Imbalance and bad angles are a huge cause of body sorenesss, lameness that cant be pinpointed etc. It csn throw the body extremely out of whack from compensation. If you want to do something, chiro massage and acupuncture with some stretching might be prudent while the horse heals and gets back even.
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livelovelaughride 07-29-2013 12:21 PM

It is so frustrating. I have seen the right pastern angle become straighter since about March. In trot the fetlock does not extend, or bend, the same amount of angle that the left fore does. My vet is a nice guy, but I don't think he really sees this as part of the equation.

So if I decide to give my horse time off to heal, any suggestions as to how much time? Hand walking? No hills? Would I 'test' his soundness from time to time, like lungeing after xx days after shoeing?

We do have a chiropractor we use, and I would consider an acupuncturist.
I do massage, and have found a big gnarly lump on the right forearm 4-5 inches below the junction of the shoulder and the radius. I will continue to check the entire shoulder complex into the rear pastern. TIA!

Trinity3205 07-30-2013 01:49 AM

Id stretch the horse daily and massage since you can and maybe pony him a bit or go for walks as you think he is able. Movement can help healing and rehab and since nothing is pinpointed despite lots of testing and blocks, id highly suspect the foot issues as affecting his body above and likely.treat it as such myself. You know your horse. Go with you gut in this case.
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MyBoyPuck 07-30-2013 09:30 PM

7.5 sure sounds like a lot to me. I was flipping out about 2 degrees with my horse last year. Despite the angle, were the bones otherwise lined up correctly with even space between the bones?

AmazinCaucasian 07-31-2013 12:07 AM

7 degrees is a lot

If low nerve blocks show no difference in soundness, that should tell you the problem is high.

What did you find up high that could contribute to soreness? A knot on the right side.

The right foot is steeper, (and likely narrower) which tells us it's not bearing as much weight.

So based on what I've read here, there's been an injury on the right side that's making your horse club-footed

Trinity3205 07-31-2013 02:05 AM

Also possible/probable but doesnt mean it cant be improved. You should post pictures if you can. Which came first, chicken or the egg.
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