I'm leasing a horse that is rather green and the lady that owns the mare has only been into horses for about 6 months.
She and I do not agree on leg aids, I've told her that horses move away from pressure, and she said that she was taught that when you apply your leg/pressure on the right side for instant the horse should turn right. I've decided to put this in front of all of you to confirm once and for all which one of us is right.
I've had horses for years and have never had any issue with this. Can you please give me some input about leg aids and which one of us is correct?
Thanks in advance! :?
Dont argue with an idiot they only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
She's nuts. If you are turning right, your left leg guides the outside shoulder and the right leg keeps the right shoulder from dropping.
Horses are trained only to how you decide to train them. Moving away from pressure would make the most sense but it's their horse so.. they kind of have the say.
Just saying if you both are using different leg cues the poor horse is going to be VERY confused..
Both right. She was trained differently is all. Depends on her discipline and on that of whom taught her.
I was taught to ride many years ago to, if turning right, bringing the right leg back behind girth and cueing against the side at same time as using pressure on right rein. Reverse for left. This moves the hindquarters to opposite side of direction you want to go, which puts head in the direction you are wanting to go, as horse is already pivoting.
Rarely used leg on opposite side as not needed.
I have also used the leg against side moving away from. Either one will work, just depends on how horse is trained. And horses can be taught both ways, as long as cues are consistent for each type and not muddled, horse will be fine.
For god's sake, horses that are shown quite a bit know what each command from the ringmaster means and will start before rider cues if they aren't careful, so no big stretch for them to figure out many things.
It suits me though, to use leg I am moving away from, to cue by pressing on the side I want to move away from, but my horse will do it both ways still.
As for horses moving away from pressure? Horses are notorious for pressing up against you when you press on them, what makes them move is that they are trained to give way. Obviously you've never been in tie stall and tried to get horse off of you.
Horse is lease horse, and her rules though. Don't do something she doesn't like.
That's what I hoped to hear! Thanks so much. A man after my own heart.
Exactly what I explained. This has been a frustrating process. The most frustrated is the poor horse. I think we need to stick to one way and that should be the right way. Thank you kindly!
Very true, and a good point that will not be lost to me.
More food for thought. I'm glad it is a month to month lease. I know I need to keep the owner happy. I have had many horses rub on me and that alone was a good example of what you are saying, we need to watch horses' body language in nature. Thank you for your input all of you, I appreciate it more than you know.
I use both depending on the turn and the response I want. Inside leg comes back behind the girth and the horse bends around my leg (this is my most common and most used cue for me). If I want a sharper turn I'll apply outside leg in front of the girth. It also cues my horse to pivot (behind the girth she pivots in her forehand, in front of the girth she pivots on her hindquarters) and using both legs gives my mare that extra push to get her turning sharper and really get her hind end under her and spinning. I'm not sure if I can describe this well but it doesn't matter which leg you use because they are both using pressure to move the horse. When you apply outside leg to the front of the girth the horse moves his shoulder away from your leg. Same when you apply inside leg behind the girth. The horse moves its hip away from the pressure. Now if you switch that up and apply inside front and outside back your going to get a side pass basically.
So to answer your question neither one of you are wrong :)
Try out the horse's responses and see what she likes best. My gelding required hardly any leg but my mare requires a lot of leg and they both have different "push" buttons when it comes to leg cues.
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