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My 5 year old APHA stallion is horribly social! He is well mannered as far as general behavior and safety around other horses and people goes, but he will not shut up at the shows when I have him in hand or at the trailer. He is very loud calling to any other horse at the grounds who might have called out, and it never fails that my ear is right there when he does it. When he calls, it is not stallion related, it is just like the call of any other horse - he is just much more social. He has gotten pretty good about not calling when I am in saddle at the shows, but I took him to a trail ride with out his buddy gelding, and he called to every horse he saw in front of him for four hours. I repremand him by making him back or turn circles when he calls out (he is lazy, so I try to increase work as a punishment), but he often just anticipates his punishments and begins backing or speeding up as he calls because he knows it is coming anyway.
He is improving with experience, but I was just wondering if there are any other ways to work with this so that I don't loose my hearing :)
I have no idea how to help you but just to let you know that you are not alone in this problem! I have a gelding that thinks everybody is his friend too.....it gets quite embarrasing but i just tend to ignor it and he eventually calms down and gets on with his job.
He has yet to go to a show/event and not be vocal though, he just seems to do it for the attention. (He also has the most high pitch winnie and sounds like such a puff! hehe) I have reached this opinion due to the fact that if i tell him off or to be quiet and get frustrated with him then he gets worse, but if i completely ignor it and carry on or even laff and give him a nice pat on the neck he chills and seems to reflect on my mood around him.
See if reasurance works rather that repremanding him? Just an idea.
But he's definately not trying to do it out of spite-he is just a horse in a strange/scary new place, and dealing with it, as only he knows how in his situation.
All the best!
Usually they call out because they are unsettled and need the feeling of security that other horses give them. I wouldn't punish him for it, be his friend, just keep taking him out and reassure him when he calls out. Gradually he will learn that if you're there then all is well. :D
It may vary depending on opinions and situations, but it seems like the general consensus from trainers I have talked to has been to correct stallions for calling out. I wonder though, should I only correct stallion noises (which he never makes in public -only when we bring an in season mare in his pen for him). I have had many geldings who I did not correct for calling, and they grew out of it with experience for the most part.
The people in general seem to get a little nervous because my stallion is calling - as if dangerous stallion behavior is to follow - which I am very sure is not the case - he is calling like any other horse. I honestly would probably ignore most of his calling (unless it got out of hand), but it seems people expect me to correct him for it. There are few stallions other than mine who attend regular events (I have seen one in two years now- who did act rather scary). It seems that stallions are a big unknown here with a negative association - is that the same elsewhere? In many ways, I have expected my stallion to behave as any other horse (myself taking a few more safety precautions such as more space for other horses, etc.) - for the most part though, he has risen to the occasion, and acts like a gentleman. He actually seemed to be one of the more behaved horses out of all the other geldings and mares present at a playday I recently attended.
I do think that when we were on the trail ride without his buddy gelding, he really was freaked out because there were a bunch of horses, and he didn't know any of them. The problem with this episode is that he was calling to the point of distraction. He got himself so worked up that he couldn't stand still and relax, he was very tense, and he kept wanting to catch up to any horses that were in his vision. He was still listening, but he was very much on edge.
Thank you both for your insight - I don't feel good about repremanding him for doing what nervous horses do, but do I go with my gut, or with what seems to be expected with bringing a stallion to public events?? If I am to ignore it, how do I address people if confronted? He is a doll of a horse, and I hate that he has a negative association by default.
Honestly, if people can't cope with a stallion calling out they don't know much about them or horses. There is a definite difference between a simply "is anyone out there" call and the true stallion roar of defiance or lust.
Go with your gut, he's your horse! Please do not do what everyone expects just to keep them satisfied, reprimand a stallion if his behavior towards other horses or people is a threat to their safety but not if he's just insecure
Eh, I don't think this is really a hugely deep or philosophical debate. Horses call. Period. Some horses are horrid of it - you can not beat millions of years of evolution and the horses instinct to call to others due to whatever reason. I have heard of several people with the same problem. They best solutions have either been to live with it or use a bark collar made for dogs.
calling out is normal...ok in on my farm it is, star will get the rooster next door going, at first it sounds wired but it's funny.
Whenever I took out one of mine to ride, the one left in field calls all the time (doesn't shut up at all). In fact the one taken out is silent. I personally kinda like horses calling when they greet each other (mine and neighbors horses do it all the time). It's rather neat. Don't punish your guy just to make other people feel comfortable.
"apha stallion" It all starts by calling out and then he will start dancing, he is not calling out for feeling of security. When you make him back up make up back fast and for a long time 100 yards is nothing, and make him shoulder in works great, that is a lot of work for horses to do. He is a stallion it is ok to hit him hard stallions don't fell pain as well as other horses, he will forget you even hit after the whole thing. Just keep in mind he is a stallion and you HAVE to stay on top of him if you do not correct him every time he dose wrong. You should find a trainer to train you how to handle and correct him. Stallions should not ever call out, out side of there pen. Thats is only somting they can do in there pen and when a mare is put in with him.
So just because your boyfriend/hubby is an uncastrated male he doesnt feel pain??????? The horses most advanced sense is touch so nobody can tell me that any horse can sense a tiny fly on them but dont feel a smack!!
If he is simply calling out because he is abit worried and wants to make friends then there is NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER! Mishandling a stallion can land you in serious trouble so do not beat him to within one inch of his life- he will have little to no respect from somebody who does that, and infact will most probably walk all over you and get worse. He is just a horse having a little talk, not an out of control monster out to get people!
If you feel you two would benifit from a trainer to help with other matters then by all means look into it!
Also if somebody looks at you as though to expect you to tell him off, laughing and smiling usually puts them at ease, saying something jokey can have the same effect. If you are making a big deal about him calling by shouting, smacking and making him back up all over the place he is going to have drawn alot of attention. If you are calm and ignore the calling but repremand bad behaviour such as stallion calls at mares etc then he will know the difference. My colt when i first had him before he was gelded used to strike- that was nipped in the bud very quickly with repremands but the calling has simply worn off over time and with more experience.
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