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CiscoKidd 03-30-2009 05:23 PM

rounding out the front legs
 
So Cisco has been jumping for about 3 months now, and i am noticing he is having problems rounding out his front legs o/f. Any suggestions to help rounding out his front legs? Or is the jumping too small to get really round? We have only been trotting to jumps too... the occasional canter over cross rails.

heres are 2 pics..
he can get round one jump..
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...sco0970001.jpg

and the next he's like this..
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...sco0990001.jpg

thank you! :-)

koomy56 03-31-2009 09:41 AM

Once the jumps get bigger he will pretty up his knees, Im sure. If your horse is too much on the forehand to the jumps, it can cause him to lack the ability to really rock back and use himself. So just be aware of where his balance is, but otherwise bigger jumps will cause him to tidy up his legs. It looks like anyway! :) In the 2nd picture he's just lost some impulsion and getting over it without much effort, which is okay. So long as he's doing his job and you like the way hes doing it, don't worry about it. He'll look more tidy as your fences get bigger. :)
Are you doing any gymnastics with him? Jumps in a row? For horses that are slow to lift their knees, or begin to disrespect the height of the jumps by being lazy we will raise one of the jumps in the combination. With one jump being suddenly higher than the rest, your horse's balance will be rocked back for you, and he will learn to be more careful because not all the jumps are the same time and time again. In a perfect world, of course. haha.
Good luck though!

equineeventer3390 03-31-2009 04:13 PM

He will probably get better with height. my horse just falls over cross rail and pretty much anything under 2'6" but rounds nicely over bigger jumps. Try gymnastics. That usually helps alot with getting a horse to bring their knees up. if your not using to do jumps close together, start with a 2stride and progress to a one stride, possible even a bounce.

CiscoKidd 03-31-2009 05:49 PM

thanks for the tips! i'll defiantly do more grid work with him, i'm sure that will help.
thanks again!

Trissacar 04-19-2009 11:25 PM

I have a little secret to share. Stretch your horse. :-)

MIEventer 04-24-2009 01:21 AM

EquineEventer and Koomy are exact on :) Great posts guys!

I read GM always saying the same exact thing to those he critiques in the PH Magazine - gymnastics and higher fences.

CiscoKidd 04-24-2009 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trissacar (Post 291742)
I have a little secret to share. Stretch your horse. :-)

what do you mean? i work him for a good 45 minutes on the flat before i start jumping. So he get's stretched out that way.

I actually raised the jump a bit, and started gymnastics lines and i can already see improvement :-)

Trissacar 04-25-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MIEventer (Post 294812)
EquineEventer and Koomy are exact on :) Great posts guys!

I read GM always saying the same exact thing to those he critiques in the PH Magazine - gymnastics and higher fences.

I agree the more difficult the obstacle is the more he'll snap up his legs. With good training and conditioning you can improve on his jumping style.

Trissacar 04-25-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CiscoKidd (Post 295245)
what do you mean? i work him for a good 45 minutes on the flat before i start jumping. So he get's stretched out that way.

I actually raised the jump a bit, and started gymnastics lines and i can already see improvement :-)

No stretch before and after you ride. My horse is NOT the same if she has not had her legs stretched.

MIEventer 04-25-2009 06:02 PM

What the? I've never heard of any Trainer discuss stretching your horses legs before riding. I can see pulling their legs up and forward to adjust the girth to prevent skalls - but not for getting a horse to round their legs over a fence.

TUCKING properly at a fence, comes by proper work through Grids. GM and other top level riders talk about raising the fences, too many school grids over too small of fences, which creates a "Lazy" jumper.

BUT!!!! Riders form on approach to the fence, the riders legs and seat makes a HUGE differnce as well. We must always remain supportive through our legs, aiding in lifting our horses backs and ribs up into us. We must keep them rounded and engaged through our seat and into our legs - engaged, rhythmic, on approach to the fence. Our horses must always be off their forehand.

When we see riders with incorrect leather lengths and unconditioned legs *Not wrapped around our horses girths* we allow our horses to go flat, on the forehand - which aids in a sloppy jumper.

That is what the 1/2 hour of Dressage Work is meant to do - To aid our postions, our aids. To allow our horses to stretch, to achieve balance, rhythm. Riders achieve control, tempo, fluid movement.

All this aids - in a better jumper.


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