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CrazyChester 04-05-2009 08:34 PM

How do you know when there spirit is broken?
 
The trainer I bought Abby off breaks horses 'spirits'. How do you know a horses spirit is broken? Do they act like robots and do what ever you tell them? or do they sit around the paddock all day eatting?

Sorry for the silly question...

Sam

CrazyChester 04-05-2009 09:12 PM

No one?

Spirithorse 04-05-2009 11:53 PM

You can certainly tell by the look they have in their eyes. It's dull, sad, and lacks a zest for life. There is no spirit there, just a robot. No play drive.

I get so angry when I see horses who have had their spirits broken. It makes me sick because it's so sad. Some people just should have NOTHING to do with animals....period.

CopperHorse 04-06-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Spirithorse (Post 283381)
You can certainly tell by the look they have in their eyes. It's dull, sad, and lacks a zest for life. There is no spirit there, just a robot. No play drive.

I get so angry when I see horses who have had their spirits broken. It makes me sick because it's so sad. Some people just should have NOTHING to do with animals....period.


I compleatly agree with Spirithorse, they just looked "drugged" or very sad.

travlingypsy 04-06-2009 12:24 AM

They would act depressed. Thats so sad why would you want to break anythings spirit, and plus thats what is sooooo amazing about horses is their spirits! Thats why they are so beautiful, free spirited.

Is Abby like this or does she still have hers intact. Have you looked into liberty training? That could bring any horse with a broken spirit back into the world.

Here is a video of Carolyn Resnick, she has tons more. Im starting to train my mare this way and just by changing my whole approuch with Gypsys training, man I can see a huge change in her whole attitude.

I love this quote... "If he'll give me time I'll let him be what ever he wants to be"
That is brilliant and every rider needs to take those words to heart!

twogeldings 04-06-2009 12:36 AM

A broken spirit is a broken horse, one that may never, ever be repaired no matter how much love you patch them with.


A horses spirit should be tamed, yes, but never broken.

I see a horses spirit in the terms of fire.
My gelding Loki has a strong one, a hot blaze, he is hard mouthed, hard headed, and difficult in the saddle. If that blaze were to be tamed, contained, he would make a fantastic show horse and trail companion. Tamed, not crushed.
Red Man has a changing flame, from soft and mellow to blazing hot. He is very free-minded, he does not like to be contained or constrained in anyway. He is difficult to tame as he is changing, care must be taken not to suffocate the fire that makes him what he is. Like his brother, he too would excell both in the ring and on the trails.
Sammy has a mellow, relaxing flame. It is warming, gentle, but not hot or uncontrollably changing like Loki or Red's. It is that what makes him so wonderful to be around. If it were estinguished...nothing would be left.



I would never in my life entrust any of my horses to someone who 'breaks their spirits'. I would rather have them sit in the pasture and become fat and useless.

CrazyChester 04-06-2009 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by travlingypsy (Post 283389)
They would act depressed. Thats so sad why would you want to break anythings spirit, and plus thats what is sooooo amazing about horses is their spirits! Thats why they are so beautiful, free spirited.

Is Abby like this or does she still have hers intact. Have you looked into liberty training? That could bring any horse with a broken spirit back into the world.

Here is a video of Carolyn Resnick, she has tons more. Im starting to train my mare this way and just by changing my whole approuch with Gypsys training, man I can see a huge change in her whole attitude.
YouTube - Training horses at liberty

I love this quote... "If he'll give me time I'll let him be what ever he wants to be"
That is brilliant and every rider needs to take those words to heart!

I believe he might have broken hers. She just seems so sad and depressed, doesnt like to run around and play. Arent 5 year olds meant to be full of energy? Jumping around having fun?

Thankyou for posting that video. I will look into liberty training!

Sam

CrazyChester 04-06-2009 02:44 AM

Thankyou everyone for replying! It's sad to see a horse so lifeless.

travlingypsy 04-06-2009 04:08 AM

Aww poor Abby, I dunno I feel you can help or maybe repair a horses spirit. It would just take time and honest good work. See the thing I like about the libirty training is that its not "move or els". For example the way I was tought with nat. horsemanship is if they didnt move or come off that lead pressure then you step in and wack. When I came across Carolyns method. I learned that there is no reason to hit,smack,wack..ect your horse. That their are MUCH better ways in training. And ever since I started this, Gypsy has done better. And its letting her express her self way much better then with the ground work, dont get me wrong I love groundwork and think it helps a lot. But id rather not hit my horse or charge after it becuase its not on the circle right.
And once you have your horses whole respect and it sees you as a leader then it will fallow you any where ever and do any thing you ask of it, with out having to be "violent" I like that...

CrazyChester 04-06-2009 04:31 AM

I was thinking about trying the Monty Roberts join-up...Do you think that would help her?


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