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Velvetgrace 04-14-2009 02:11 PM

Founder........................................... .
Well it has come to a point that my mare has founder. She is not showing the traditional signs of serious founder of wanting to rock back on the hind legs to keep weight off the front.

The signs she is showing is a continued lamness in the right front foot and tries to place it where it can keep pressure off the heel. Two weeks ago, the farrier stated that the sole of this foot was very soft. I cleaned out her feet on Saturday and noticed her flinch a little more than normal as I cleaned this hoof (right front White hoof). She has seen a vet in Feb. and exrays showed a slight turn down in the toe bone of approx. 1/2 mm. The right (white) hoof is growing more than the left (black) hoof.

Our next step is to put shoes on the mare using the "Natural Balance" type shoe, which is what the farrier has recommended. The four week trimming is due in two weeks and that is when we will put shoes on.

Over the past 14 days I have noticed her walking better, putting weight on the hoof and walking almost in a normal way, but sometimes acts a little ouchy. But we are still planning on putting shoes on her for the reason of the continued lamness.

I just need to know if some horses with this can go from showing signs of founder or navicular to being okay to be ridden. I understand that this will be with her for the rest of her life, but I do believe that we can keep her on a preventative schedule so that she could be ridden and enjoy her life.

I need some input to better educate my self and see what other horse owners have done in the past.

mls 04-14-2009 02:28 PM

Has she been x-rayed to see if there is any rotation?

Wallaby 04-14-2009 04:12 PM

Lacey's best friend horse mildly foundered early last year, around june, and now less than a year later this horse is being ridden, no cantering but plenty of walking and trotting and she canters around her field all the time without any encouragement at all AND she's barefoot. Good luck!

Velvetgrace 04-14-2009 04:14 PM

Well see this area I am unfamilar with this topic and just really taking in all info that I get.

X-rays taken in Feb. (at least 8 sets taken) showed clear and healthy bones. Except only when taken from the side we used a straight object to measure the angle of the toe bone. As it goes further down the toe it starts to move way (not parallel) down the toe about 1/2 mm difference than from the top.

That is all that I know.

appylover31803 04-14-2009 05:36 PM

Regardless if you want to go barefoot or shoes, I would really recommend you get a vet out the day that farrier/trimmer is going to be there so the vet can take x-rays of how the hoof is that day.
Then the farrier/trimmer can shoe/trim according to the x-rays.

That's what we did with my app gelding. We knew he was lame but was unsure if he was foundering. The day the farrier was to come out, we got the vet out and we took x-rays.Turned out there was no sinking or rotation (just some really bad previous trimmings) The farrier then knew exactly how much to take off and everything when he put on the natural balance shoes on.

Barebackrider 04-14-2009 06:12 PM

appylover's Idea makes sense and I think you should ask your vet about some shoes that would help.

Peggysue 04-14-2009 07:18 PM

yews with proper farrier work she can be sound :) just give it some time...

do you know what caused her issues?? What is her diet like now?? You don't want her too heavy the extra weight is hard on them just like it is people

Met Babbers my son's old mare ...
This is NOT a good riding video of him but shows you how she was with 4* rotation plus sinking in her right front (we have since tamed his chicken arms LOL )

luvs2ride1979 04-14-2009 11:13 PM

I agree, xrays need to be take the day the farrier comes out, or the day before.

Diet can also play a large role in founder/laminitis. What is her diet like?

Velvetgrace 04-15-2009 08:30 AM

She is on a 14% Pellet Feed with all the hay/grass she can consume. She has been on this type of diet since the day I got her (last August). She did not start showing signs of lamness until 4 months after I purchased her.

Body weight wise, she is slightly thin, but what you would call riding condition. You can just barely see the outline of her ribs and no pronounced back bone. You can feel her ribs, as we are just coming out of winter and the grass is starting to grow.

Peggysue 04-15-2009 09:26 AM

14% pellet honestly tells us very little it could be a great forage based feed or it could be a sweet feed in pelleted form... do you have the analysis off of it with ingredient list??

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