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jimmy 08-22-2013 04:19 PM

pulling to one side
 
hi,just bought a seven year old driving stallion,had him out today for a few hours.he is sound as a pound,nothing bothered him,the only dodge is he was permanently pulling to the right,which in England is towards oncoming traffic,anyone had this problem?and found a cure for getting them out of it

Endiku 08-22-2013 06:39 PM

Have you checked all of his driving equipment to make sure its perfectly balanced evenly? He might be responding to pressure put on him from one piece or another, or he may have build up more muscle on that side than the other so he 'tends' towards that side. Also, you might get a chiro out if nothing else is wrong to see if he's sore or tight somewhere. Does he travel towards the right when at liberty?

Saddlebag 08-22-2013 10:11 PM

Check the wheel bearings on the side he's pulling toward.

jimmy 08-23-2013 01:09 PM

yes checked the harness,had his mouth checked today no problems or sores,the cart is a full size working dray(I use him for collecting scrap)and it runs like a pram,I think maybe it's a habit he has got into which i,m going to have to find a way to break,I could suffer it for an hour ,but when your driving all day,it gets tiring pulling him across all the time,sometimes he has three quarters of the bit pulled across to straighten him up,and I still have to keep the tension on,Yesterday he was in a snaffle ,today I tried a straight bit,no difference ,he,s not fighting the bit to go forward he knows his job and plods on ,he goes when he,s bid to go,and he stands no problem if you have to walk away from him when there's no where to tie him

Endiku 08-23-2013 01:15 PM

It definitely seems like it might be a skeletal or muscular problem for him then. Try having a chiropractor out before you assume that he's just being a pain.

jimmy 08-23-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Endiku (Post 3438329)
It definitely seems like it might be a skeletal or muscular problem for him then. Try having a chiropractor out before you assume that he's just being a pain.

sorry endiku I should have said,he doesn't do it when any of the kids are riding him just had a thought,if I can sort it this weekend I will get another horse and driver in front of him and see if he will follow straight then

Saddlebag 08-23-2013 02:42 PM

Use the whip and perhaps give him a tap on the neck to see if that would move him over. Or repetitious taps until he straightens and stop the tapping immediately. Are you sure the collar doesn't need readjusting? If he's getting a tender area he may be trying to relieve the pressure.

jimmy 08-23-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Saddlebag (Post 3439225)
Use the whip and perhaps give him a tap on the neck to see if that would move him over. Or repetitious taps until he straightens and stop the tapping immediately. Are you sure the collar doesn't need readjusting? If he's getting a tender area he may be trying to relieve the pressure.

it's not the collar ,it's a soft lined working collar I,m using ,I thought it might be that the traces weren't pulling straight but when I checked them they are pulling even,I have tried a sharp yank which he answers to but then starts veering again,I will try the whip idea and see how he goes,I had a horse years ago that did the same thing and I don't know why she stopped but she did I put that down th bad driving at previous homes,so I suppose I,m hoping this is the same thing

Left Hand Percherons 08-23-2013 06:23 PM

Surely he was not doing this prior to buying him or you'd have your answer. What is different now from than?

If you are pulling the bit through his mouth, the bridle need adjusting or you need a different bit. That's a train wreck waiting to happen. Was he driven in pair (team)? He sounds like a left hand horse. He looking for support of the right horse to keep him straight.

I'd go back to some basics and find out where the problem is. Harness him up and ground drive him around the yard. If he's good, head out down the road on foot. The horses I've seen do that kind of work are on autopilot. The driver barely uses the lines and they work mostly off of voice commands and they just know the route.

Once he passes that test, when you get back to the yard, hook him up just the singletree. Is he still walking a straight line? Hook a big tire to the singletree. Is he still walking a straight line? Do you have something other than the dray to put him in? It needs to roll effortlessly, be balanced. Still walking straight? Head down the road again. Is he good and a pleasure to drive? Now put him in the dray. When it's empty can he walk a straight line? How heavy is it loaded? Is he fit? On that note, is there any asymetry to him? Take good pictures of both sides standing square with his head in it's natural position.

My suspicion would be the harness specifically the collar. The point of draught is wrong on him for some reason. There's impingement of the muscles or range of motion that's making him not tract straight. Is there too much weight on the saddle or tugs?

One trick is for you to stand or sit to the far left. Pictures both standing still and at a working pace would be more helpful. Make sure they include you.

I really don't think it's just a training issue and you are going to end up with a sore unfit to work horse quickly.

jimmy 08-24-2013 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons (Post 3441737)
Surely he was not doing this prior to buying him or you'd have your answer. What is different now from than?

If you are pulling the bit through his mouth, the bridle need adjusting or you need a different bit. That's a train wreck waiting to happen. Was he driven in pair (team)? He sounds like a left hand horse. He looking for support of the right horse to keep him straight.

I'd go back to some basics and find out where the problem is. Harness him up and ground drive him around the yard. If he's good, head out down the road on foot. The horses I've seen do that kind of work are on autopilot. The driver barely uses the lines and they work mostly off of voice commands and they just know the route.

Once he passes that test, when you get back to the yard, hook him up just the singletree. Is he still walking a straight line? Hook a big tire to the singletree. Is he still walking a straight line? Do you have something other than the dray to put him in? It needs to roll effortlessly, be balanced. Still walking straight? Head down the road again. Is he good and a pleasure to drive? Now put him in the dray. When it's empty can he walk a straight line? How heavy is it loaded? Is he fit? On that note, is there any asymetry to him? Take good pictures of both sides standing square with his head in it's natural position.

My suspicion would be the harness specifically the collar. The point of draught is wrong on him for some reason. There's impingement of the muscles or range of motion that's making him not tract straight. Is there too much weight on the saddle or tugs?

One trick is for you to stand or sit to the far left. Pictures both standing still and at a working pace would be more helpful. Make sure they include you.

I really don't think it's just a training issue and you are going to end up with a sore unfit to work horse quickly.

will try him in another collar,will try anything really,he never drove in pairs ,he has pulled a scrap cart ever since he was broke in but I don't know yet if he did this previously or not,but I am going to a drive in the next couple of weeks ,and there will be men there who will know his history and his mothers and fathers before him,if its the collar I can cure that in a minute ,I,ve ten or eleven different collars and a couple of breast ones so that's a small problem,I bought him from a dealing man ,but I have seen the horse in a scrapyard with the crane lifting scrap off the dray at a yard in hull,thanks for the suggestions


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