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panderse 04-18-2009 08:27 PM

Stallion lacks respect
Last fall purchased a nine year old Paint breeding stud, nice disposition but was never taught any ground manners, was only used for open pasture breeding. We never get in his pen/yard without having hold of his head, he will kick. When leading him he is extremely pushy. When I take him out the gate to the arena he know he is going to be breeding, I actually need a tank to hold him back, leans on me so heavy makes my shoulders and back hurt. Using a stud chain, if I back him up or turn him in circles he will go to rearing and clawing the air, very dangerous. It is not possible to hand breed with him, we have to wait till he leave the gate to circle and then put the mare in the arena. Is it possible to teach this mature stud manners?

Spastic_Dove 04-18-2009 08:43 PM

Is the only time you work with him when you are going to breed him or collect?

panderse 04-18-2009 08:53 PM

No, I lead him in his pen, leads, turns, backs, and stops very gently, but is pushy and wants to lean heavily on me. When I take him out the gate he is all hormones and ready to fight resistance.

Spyder 04-18-2009 09:03 PM

Stallions need a job outside of breeding. The sooner you give him one the better it will be. If you cannot handle him then send him to a trainer that will give him non breeding work.

Spastic_Dove 04-18-2009 09:14 PM

Like Spyder said, breeding should not be his primary job. If you are comfortable going in and working with him (Which it sounds like you must be if you are still breeding him) You need to start working him when he's not being bred. It is possible (but work) to give a 9 year old stallion him work to do is a great way to do it.

He is all hormones when you take him out of his pen because everytime he gets out, he breeds. Id stat asking him to go for walks outside of the pen (Even if its just a lap or two around the roundpen) when youre not going to breed. He's going to be all hormones, but be gentle yet firm as you walk him. Don't punish him because right now he is just doing the job that has been asked of him.

Spirithorse 04-19-2009 09:20 AM

I agree with giving him a job. It's so important to do that especially with stallions. Working with a stallion is very different than working with a gelding. You HAVE to know what you're doing and you have to have an excellent sense of feel, timing and balance. Have you ever heard the saying "You can tell a gelding, ask a mare, but you discuss it with a stallion." It's very true.

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