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Oxer 09-06-2013 12:36 AM

Question about nerving
 
I always learn so much from everyone here on the forum. So I thought i would bring this to you folks to see what kind of insight you all might be able to afford me.
A barn mate of mine has a lovely big warmblood that has struggled with Navicular. Loooong story short, she had finally decided to have him nerved in front. I personally, don't know anything about this... so today after i saw her and spoke with her about it, i Googled everything i could find. Folks on the internet seem to be pretty divided on this sort of thing.

anyway.... my question is this:
He keeps stomping. Stomping. Stomping. She's had him wrapped, and he's literally trying to rip his wraps off with his teeth. If she pulls his wraps off, he will chew his legs and coronet bands to shreds. She's had the vet out on emergency calls twice now since the surgery (it's been 10 days now), and they keep telling her the same thing... they don't know what to say, they don't know what to do, they don't know how to help. Just give him Gabapentin and Banamine.

Has anyone ever heard of this? A horse having something like a "phantom pain" after being nerved? And any kind of insight that some of you might have on this sort of thing would be most appreciated.

DriftingShadow 09-06-2013 12:45 AM

what exactly is this procedure? I tried to google it but dont really understand. Does it make it so he cant feel his feet? :shock:

Oxer 09-06-2013 01:13 AM

Yea... i had to Google too! I am under the impression that he is not supposed to be able to feel a portion of his hooves. Thus making it so he's no longer in pain. But this leaves the question about why he's stomping and seems to be so terribly uncomfortable.

~*~anebel~*~ 09-06-2013 01:20 AM

It may be that he is trying to "wake up" his feet. Like if you can't feel your feet or if they are asleep you stomp to try to wake them up. The nerve may have only been partially severed.
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Oxer 09-06-2013 01:31 AM

Ah, maybe! I'm sure it's an incredibly strange sensation. I think it's just so alarming to her because the vets, and people she knows that have nerved their horses, have all said that what he's doing is "not the norm". So she's panicked about it.

DriftingShadow 09-06-2013 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxer (Post 3562897)
Ah, maybe! I'm sure it's an incredibly strange sensation. I think it's just so alarming to her because the vets, and people she knows that have nerved their horses, have all said that what he's doing is "not the norm". So she's panicked about it.


If my ever told me "yeah thats not normal" and then didnt tell me what to do about it- I would FLIP out. The vets are just suggesting banamine? They arent wanting to look into it further??

showjumperachel 09-06-2013 01:45 AM

I agree with DriftingShadow. If that was not the norm, and the vets were only prescribing Banamine....I would have a cow. What is the purpose of the other drug that is prescribed? Honestly I would get the second opinion of another vet. I'm always of the mindset to have a second opinion if the first opinion isn't quite sure.

Ninamebo 09-06-2013 11:26 AM

I'm so sorry your horse is going through this, okay so this is rare but he could be experiencing neuroma formation, which is a prolif of nerves at the cut site that is super painful. I've never heard of a horse reacting to that just ten days after the surgery though, but it's possible.

IMO nerving doesn't always permanently solve the issue of navicular, it just causes new ones.

Ok so banamine is a musculoskeletal anti inflammatory, so it is helping at least a little bit. Gabapentin is a GABA neurotransmitter inhibitor. It basically helps control chronic neuropathic pain, which is what you want when nerving a horse.

I hope her horse calms down but if not call the vet again to talk about other options besides just banamine. Good luck I hope for a full recovery!!
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Ninamebo 09-06-2013 11:29 AM

Also, I just read the upper posts about the vets reaction to this, I'm sure he/ she is probably a foot specialist but you might look into getting a second opinion from another in the area- you don't want to sit around forever and wait for them to take action while the horse is is constant pain. Could make for more complications later on for the horse. We're all rooting for you!!!
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Zexious 09-06-2013 11:32 AM

How interesting... This isn't a procedure I have ever heard of. Subbing! You'll have to keep us updated!


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