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DWABoat 09-06-2013 09:31 PM

"Cutting out a bruise"????
 
My last farrier quit the business, so I have had to find a new one.
The one I just used comes highly recommended by people I trust.
A few days ago, the new farrier came by for a routine trim on my horses. Neither horse was showing any problems - they just needed a trim.

I was not here but my wife was here. She said he quickly trimmed both horses. When he was finishing the QH, he pointed out that he "cut out a bruise" on her front right foot. My wife saw my horse was bleeding from the front portion of her sole in front of the frog where he had cut into the sole. The farrier wrapped the hoof in a bandage and told her to take the bandage off in a couple of days and soak the foot in Epsom Salt.

I took the bandage off today and the foot is still slightly bleeding. Also, my horse is limping pretty badly on the foot.

My horse was showing no signs of lameness before his visit. I have not ridden either horse in weeks. They are pretty much pets. But, since I am always around them, I would have noticed a limp.

This horse is flat footed. My prior farrier told me that she would need front shoes if I ever started riding her in parades or heavy working.

Can I get some opinions on the "cutting out a bruise" thing?
Also, is there some "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thing here?

Please let me know. I need to know whether to call this farrier back next time.

NorthernMama 09-06-2013 10:12 PM

Well, I have cut off the dead sole that was from a bruise on a sole. The bruise forms a little pocket and the new sole growing in under it is fine, but the old sole on the surface at some point dies off and needs to be pared. However, this would not cause bleeding.

IMO, the farrier cut into good sole and even more. I can not think of a reason why to cut so deep as to cause bleeding. And it's still bleeding days later? This is not good. I would call the farrier right away and tell him what is happening. His response will help you judge where to go next. Hopefully he will have a suitable care plan. He needs to come out and look at his work; if he tries to tell you over the phone that it's OK, find someone else.

I would be concerned about infection so be sure to keep that foot clean and as dry as possible. When my mare had a puncture on her sole, I used diapers and duct tape to keep her foot clean and dry.

Cat 09-06-2013 10:18 PM

Making the sole bleed on a previously sound horse? Find a new farrier ASAP and don't let this one near your horses ever again.

spirit88 09-06-2013 10:47 PM

That farrier would not be coming back if that was my horse. He must of cut into the sole pretty deep for it to still be bleeding.

Make sure you keep it clean and dry and keep it wrapped to protect it.

loosie 09-07-2013 06:52 AM

Not only would that farrier not be back, I would also hold him accountable for vets bills and treatment! In Australia it is also illegal for non-vets to invade live tissue, for very good reasons, IMO.

Roux 09-08-2013 12:26 PM

I agree with what is stated above.

Cutting out a bruise is fairly common but should not result in bleeding. In my experience that has never happend. I can't say for sure what did happen they cut to far and told you it was a bruise or maybe broke into an abcess? I don't really know.

If you want to call the farrier to tell him what happened you can but I don't think you should let him or her do more work on the horse. We have all made mistakes under a horse so I don't want to be soo harsh but at the same time your horse was sound and now it isn't.

Soaking the hoof in Epsom salts its good advise and keep it wrapped until its healed. The last thing you want is an infection or something getting in there while its healing just to cause an abcess later. Lastly I might call your vet for a seccond opinion and to let him know what happened. He or she might have another treatment idea.

So sorry this happened to you! I hope your horse recovers quickly.
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smrobs 09-09-2013 12:48 AM

Cutting a little bit to open an abscess is one thing, but you don't cut out a bruise. That's just not something that a real farrier does. I agree with others, that guy would never be welcome on my place again.

Patty Stiller 09-15-2013 07:32 AM

Farriers do not 'cut out' sole bruises. The bleeding and lameness indicates He cut into live corium (bad mistake) and now the recovery may be a fairly long process and may lay your formerly sound horse up for a while until the sole re-grows.

This farrier is apparently ignorant about the anatomy of the foot and if it were me the farrier would be notified of the very serious error and the fact that he will likely be paying a vet bill for you and for the time the horse is layed up and not usable. These kinds of mistakes can lead to laminitis and founder as well if the pain goes on too long so a consult from a vet should be made.

Keep the foot clean, well bandaged and protected (a Davis boot would be good over the bandage until the lameness subsides. Betadyne or ichthammol is a good topical for the hole.

Saddlebag 09-16-2013 11:21 AM

Loosie, one of my horses I suspect has thin soles. The farriers/trimmers all feel the need to remove the dead sole. This seems to offer the horse some protection. It's been thro months of observation that he moves more freely at about 6 weeks and he's usually trimmed at about 8 week intervals. I am so fed up with these people not listening to my request that the horse has gone 10 weeks and his hooves are ok. He's on clay much of which is grass with bare areas with a goodly area of sand so there is natural wear.

loosie 09-16-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saddlebag (Post 3645826)
that he moves more freely at about 6 weeks and he's usually trimmed at about 8 week intervals.

There are absolutely reasons to remove sole, but as a rule, IME & from what I hear, farriers tend to do WAY too much of it & your above statement makes that sound obvious. I just don't get why a farrier, faced with this evidence, can't reassess what he's doing & consider that perhaps that's not the way it should be...


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