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murrayhallbuccaneer 05-08-2009 06:01 PM

how would i stop buck rearing out on rides?
 
Hey guys :-)

you see i have a problem with buck, it's probably what im doing with him but i need to know right? whenever i take him out on a ride, without company he always tries to go home, spins round and tries to take off, when he is stopped he will rear up as small as a slight hop or as big as "OH CRAP HES GONNA GO OVER" big, none of it scares me much but when you go out on your horse for a relaxing ride to get away from the stress of a work place (my case the yard haha) it gets annoying when all he does is rear up and wanna make the ride stressful and not-very-relaxing-kinda fun.

On the other hand, when we go out on rides WITH company, he wont stay with the other horses or people, we will try and go whatever way he wants to go if he spooks at something, or if he decides thats not the way he wants to go.

is this something ive brought on myself, lack of respect from him? or am i riding him wrong, ive tried to just loosen contact and stand him still to calm him down, but thats another opening to turn for home, or whatever way hes decided to go.

sorry long post but the naughty horsey needs to be stopped! haha..


in case this helps, the tack hes got is:
cavasson bridle with a kimberwick straightbar and curbchain
english saddle and high whither numnah
draw reins (was told that they might stop him rearing and taking off completely, has worked for not running off, not rearing)

maybe that might help find the problem?:-|

Sorry for the long post again!

:-)Leanne and buck xx:wink:

Spirithorse 05-08-2009 06:55 PM

Well first of all I'd get those draw reins off of him asap. IMO that's just dangerous. You might actually be inviting him to rear with those on. Is there any reason why you ride him in a kimberwick? Personally I don't like those bits, so maybe you could experiement with another bit? Just a thought.

When he refuses to go without company that is a confidence issue usually. Just do approach and retreat with him. Take him away from the other horses and when you feel the FIRST bit of tension, hesitation, etc. stop and walk back toward the other horses. You need to respect his thresholds. Once he has more confidence in you he will feel more comfortable with you so he won't put up a fight going out.

trot-on 05-08-2009 07:43 PM

Hello, I think would help you alot!!! Horse Training-The simple way! Why send them away to trainers???

satrider 05-08-2009 08:46 PM

Well, I don't have a lot to add, because spirithorse already mentioned it, I had the same problem-still do--cause I still have to work on it. One of my mares doesn't want to leave the other one and she took of with me as well, spun around so fast I lost my balance only I wasn't as lucky as you, I bit the dust:cry:. She did that to me twice. I started to do what spirithorse said, take him out come back, take him out come back, each time take him just a little further eventually we should be able to take them wherever. Like I said I'm still working on it. As far as the bit, I'm no help:-(
Good Luck

koomy56 05-08-2009 09:39 PM

A horse cannot rear if its weight is on its front end. The only way to truly establish the weight onto the front is to disengage his hind quarters.
The moment you feel him hesitate while going out, and wanting to head back home, disengage his hind end to the left, then right, then left, etc. basically, a serpentine. You're going to have to be on your toes and really paying attention to where his weight is. If he can hop up in front, you have not disengaged the hind end enough. You will be serpentining until you feel him say, "Geez, okay already, can we just walk forward now?" And then you release and see if he'll take you forward.
When you disengage the hind end, you must remain balanced over your saddle. If you want his hind end to go right, you lift the left rein straight up to the sky. Very important. Left leg gets busy to send it to the right. Once his hind end goes right, you ask for it left.
I stress the importance of your hand lifting straight upwards. The reason being that if you pull your rein out, or back, he can escape through that shoulder and get your number. Lifting your hand upwards speaks directly to the hind end, and blocks that shoulder from bulging out and away from the rein. Make sense?
Perhaps practice these maneuvers before you hit the trail. :)
Good luck, be safe.
Reward only the forward intention from the horse, which will come from the serpentines. If you ask for forward and your horse hesitates or refuses, serpentine some more.

murrayhallbuccaneer 05-09-2009 08:02 AM

ah right okay then :) i was told by julie (sold me the horse) that the draw reins would stop him blah and the kimberwick would stop him too, i also ride him in a snaffle (eggbutt jointed snaffle) when in the school and without the draw reins mostly, but ive not tried out on a ride, because i dont want to lose him if i do come off, since when i fall off in the snaffle and no draw reins, he carries on, and im afraid he would do that on a ride and go on the road and get himself killed

but i shall try that disengaging the hindend koomy56, first in the school then out on the trail when i got the hang of it :)

spirithorse i only ride him in the kimberwick because i was told he needed it by his previous owner, and since im still learning and shes been doing this for about 30 odd years maybe more, i trusted her to be right. what other kind of bit would be better? i mean i have a very mild snaffle bit but he it very leaning on that and the kimberwick probably doesnt help with the rearing because it is alot more severe than the snaffle.. and since ive had him he hasnt reared with the snaffle, just took off at amazing speeds OOPS!

Spirithorse 05-09-2009 08:29 PM

Do you always ride him with contact on the reins, or do you let them be loose when out on the trail? If you DON'T ride with contact all the time your snaffle sounds fine. However if you DO ride with contact I'd look into a double jointed snaffle.

A bit should not be used for control. If a horse "needs" a bit for control there are some BIG holes in the horse's foundation that need attention. So you could ride him in a snaffle and if he goes to run off use a one rein stop on him. I would not, however, use a one rein stop with him if you are going to ride him in the kimberwick.

murrayhallbuccaneer 05-10-2009 04:40 PM

i usually do ride with a contact yes, because no contact = spinning round to go home.

i will take him out in his snaffle and see what he is like, and will ask boss about a double jointed one if its needed. im guessing that i should also go without the draw reins? :) im sure that he will stop rearing if he doesnt wear the kimberwick, but ive been lead to believe its what stops him running off, and of all things to scare me, i dont want him to run off and hurt himself if i fell off. ive not done so yet and dont want to know if he will go home, since that means going on the road, and its not a nice road!

ive got a plan in my head, ill take him out, snaffle and no draw reins, and if he acts up so badly that i feel i cant control him enough, ill just hop off and lead him some way then try again... then if it persists, walk him a way again but then hop on and go home, since hes good on the way home, doesnt rush home but when your going away hes naughty.

is that a bad idea? or just needs a slight altering? haha

Spirithorse 05-10-2009 06:18 PM

The kimberwick is simply acting as a band-aid for the lack of his foundation in regards to him running off. It's not fixing the problem, it's masking it. And for me, masking problems isn't good enough :) I want to FIX the problem, which means working on the horse's foundation.

Your horse needs to learn the value of riding on a loose rein. The horse will always give you signs he's going to bolt BEFORE he actually does it. So when you see those signs use your one rein stop to gain control. Follow the principles behind the one rein stop method and your horse will learn to stay calm.

It's an excellent idea to take those draw reins off him. I'm a firm believer that if you get scared when riding your horse GET OFF! You will live to see another day and your confidence will remain intact. Work it out on the ground and then get back on if you feel okay. The feeling of fear is what keeps us safe and we need to listen to it.

MN Tigerstripes 05-11-2009 02:59 PM

Groundwork helped me a lot. I had almost exactly the same problem this spring (see my thread, Naughty Rearing Horse on here). I tried Koomy's advice and that has helped too. But before I took Soda out again after he reared, I worked him on the ground a lot. Just really simple stuff: leading, backing, whoa, etc. I groomed him daily, played with his feet, etc. I walked him on a lead away from the other horses. After about a week I took him out and it was a good ride. I think that the groundwork helped increase his trust and respect in me, which leads to a better ride. That may really help esp if he's a new to you horse.

Also, I didn't let him get away with the rearing or rushing home. Whenever I rode him and he would start trying to rush home by pushing through the bit/rearing/just taking off I made him work. Just back and forth in about a block or two area. We did circles, figure-8, serpentines, transitions, etc. After probably 2x of that he walks home on a loose rein every time I take him out now. *knock on wood* :-)


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