My mare's cycles are too short...
I am new to the forum, and I registered (as many people do) looking for help.
We have a 16 year old mare. She's registered APHA, super healthy.
We purchased her in foal in February. Her due date was March 1st.
About a week before her foaling date, she was injured very badly. Cut 2 legs down to exposed bone. We took her to the doctor, he kept her for a week. IV antibiotics and cleaning the legs, salving them and wrapping them back up.
We brought her home, and doctored her ourselves every other day as per instructed by the doc. We gave her 10 antibiotic pills crushed in her grain every morning and every evening.
Her legs have been healing wonderfully! Doc is so happy, he figured he'd have to put her down, but we've got her doing really well. She never even limped!
So she had her 5th foal on March 13th, Beautiful little filly... Perhaps Registerable only as Breeding stock, but we're hoping her spot will get her in...
The bones in Elly's legs were completely covered over by now, and on March 20th came in on foal heat. Doc said we were good to go ahead and breed her.
My husband inquired about the antibiotics... Doc said they would not affect the semen.
So she was covered March 21st, 22, 23, 25 and 26... She was trailered home every other day to wash and doctor her legs...
She was showing signs of coming back in and around the 16th day... We had her at doc's, he ultrasounded her, no baby.
He gave her the shot to make her come back in (which if I would have thought about it, I wouldn't have done... since she would have been back in in a few days anyways...)
And back to the breeders we went...
She was covered April 19th, 20, 21, 22 and 23 She stayed at the breeders this whole time, we went there every day and cleaned her legs and wrapped the worst one, just out of caution during breeding, doc said it was no longer necessary...
In 16 days, she came back in heat...
So we called doc, and he said that she may have uterine infection. This requires scope, and a culture, then probably antibiotics, and another scope to check afterwards. This is going to cost around $500.
Now, I know that horses are expensive... But we only gave $500 for the mare in foal, then the injury and hospitalization were $1200 plus check-ups and other necessities in getting her healed up... Probably closer to $2000 now... The stud fee was $350... And now... NO BABY!! UG!!!
So... I'm wondering if anyone has had a mare come in too quickly, instead of the normal 21 day cycle...
The first attempt at breeding, I was afraid that the stress of moving her every other day was upsetting, plus she wasn't as interested in breeding as she was in protecting her foal... (the foal was in an adjacent fenced in area). So I chalked it up to that. Plus my husband thinks that it was the antibiotics...
But the second time, she was VERY willing, and little stress... So I was encouraged. No antibiotics. My husband doesn't feel that horses take as well on the shot... But she still shouldn't be coming in this quickly...
I was also thinking that... I could get the culture myself... The stallion owner says she can get it tested to see if there's infection... Then I figured I could purchase the meds online, and doctor her myself... I've done all the doctoring on her legs... Every other day for 4 weeks and every day since...
Anyone able to help? I'll welcome comments...
I know how disappointing it must be to pay all that and no baby, BUT, horses are very unpredictable and I would suggest to keep trying to get her pregnant, take her to different vets, maybe, and see why she wouldn't breed. Just keep trying would be my guess.
Sorry.... not much help there. :(
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I think if the breeder is willing to do the culture and it is less of an expense to you do it... At the breeding facility I worked at last summer we took cultures for the customers horses a lot of the time.. As far as the shorter heat cycle not quite sure there? I gave my mare the shot to bring her back into heat and she took quickly..... and sometimes when the mare doesnt take that's her way of saying she doesn't wanna be bred... She may possibly could use a year off? Whatever you decide I hope all goes well.:-)
Please dont take these questions as critical of you, but that said....
Why are you trying to breed her again so soon?
She is going through alot right now.
1-You purchased her in Feb & I guess moved her to a new place.
2-She seriously injured herself just before giving birth.
3-She gave birth & went through daily medical care.
4-A very short while later she is shipped back & forth to be breed.
5-Apparently she needs medical care for possible infections.
The mare is VERY STRESSED!
She is 16 y.o. Not old but not a youngster either.
Concern yourself with getting her well right now.
Give her a break & breed her next year.
You have a new horse & a beautiful foal.
Love & enjoy them.
I agree with lonestarlady, all this stress is most likely affecting her cycles. I am kinda surprised your vet recommended that you breed her right away, with all that she has been going through. I say give her a bit of a break and breed again later on when she has settled in.
Thanks for all your replys!
My husband is of the mind that if we feed something for a year, we need to be doing something with it. That's why we were breeding her back, to get that "dream baby". And the vet said she'd be fine...
You see... Elly hasn't been rode in 10 years... We bought her as a broodmare. She's never had a problem getting pregnant before.
So bottom line is... Since she didn't stick, and it's this late in the year, we will not be trying again with her. If she did stick, and have a healthy baby, we'd be hard pressed to get it ready for futurity.
I'm just concerned that her cycle is messed up. And I'm concerned if she does have an infection. I need to get it taken care of...
It makes me feel better that you said that the breeding facility that you worked with tested mares all the time. That makes me feel good.
I have paid for the breeding, and it the owner of the stallion will breed her next year for me, or I can breed to a different mare, so at least I won't loose my money on that part.
It's just in my personal experience that infections don't go away... So I want to stay on top of this and get it fixed.
The really weird thing is that she's already out of heat. So she was in 3-4 days. She's been going 7 days strong... She's all messed up... I don't know if it's because of an infection... or something else...
I know that mares who are stressed and need a year off - often will not get pregnant.
I know stress affects my cycles, lol.
My mare just was treated for a uterine infection - she was uncomfortable, angry, moody, and downright unpleasant to be around. Her cycles were all over the place. But since the treatment, she's been better.
It may be best to get the infection treated, and it sounds like you're doing the right thing giving her a year off.
Hope everything works out!
Personally, I'd be more surprised if she did take. She's still healing, just had a foal, was moved to your home, was moved to the breeder's a couple of times, etc. I think I'd ask for another vet opinion. I am really surprised that your vet said it was OK to breed her so very close to her injury and to her giving birth.
Since your hubby thinks horses need jobs.....why not give her a review course in riding? If you think that she's got an infection I'd certainly treat it. Infections could make her sterile.
What did you do with her foal? Or, what are your plans for the current foal? Right now, foals can be difficult to sell and you may very well have more money in a foal that you could get from selling a foal at this time in the market.
I actually agree with everyone else now. Don't keep trying, give her a break. :) Worry about training the foal you have now and just let her chill out.
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