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jmike 09-11-2013 06:26 PM

leading issues - mare trying to turn me around
 
working with the 6 year old mare now -- she is always in the pasture -- i do not have a round pen or training pen or anything like that -- just 20+ acres of fenced in pasture/forest

will put a lead line on her and walk her back and forth across the pasture -- once i get to a certain point on the legth of the pasture she will turn her head in to me and try to push me around to go back in the other direction towards the other 2 horses (to the left)

what i have been doing is making her yield her hindquarters full circle and then another half circle (540) to get her facing back in the direction she was facing

we'll take about 5 steps in the direction we were going and she will repeat the maneuver

instead of making her go the full 540 to the left -- should i make her go 180 to the right instead -- yielding her forequarters?

or are there any other suggestions?

TownesThatBigChestnut 09-11-2013 06:48 PM

Townes just started doing the same thing!
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jmike 09-11-2013 07:01 PM

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Townes just started doing the same thing!
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nice -- if you figure it out -- let me know

horse turns left and walks in front of me -- so i have been keeping her turning left for a circle and a half and start off again

not sure if i should keep her going left by yielding her hindquarters or make her go right by yielding her forequarters ....

jaydee 09-11-2013 07:02 PM

To a certain extent whichever way you ask her to yield I'm thinking that it results in her turning back towards the other horses?
Which is what she wants to do
Keeping her feet moving is a good idea as its distracting her mind from going back to them - and that's what you're doing
Have you tried just pushing her head away from you and insisting she walks forwards - I might likely give her a sharp slap to let her know I didn't appreciate being pushed on as well
When I train horses for the in hand show ring I always carry a long schooling whip to encourage them to walk forwards alongside me
You might also find you have more authority and control if you put a bridle on her till she gets the idea.

Saddlebag 09-11-2013 07:06 PM

You have a sharp elbow. Use it! As you walk suddenly flap your bent elbow to your side. If she connects with it, oh well, she'll think twice about crowding your space. Do it every sporadically so there's no rhythm for her to figure out. She might try a second time as that's how she learns. It will not make her head shy. Once she stops crowding you, it's time to teach her to focus on you, not the other horses. As you walk, suddenly make a left turn veering back toward the direction you were coming from. At first she'll get a yank on the halter but keep your eye ahead and keep walking, then suddenly switch again. She doesn't want the yank and will start watching your shoulders. Stop, start, turn, just keep mixing it up. Try not to look at her except for maybe a quick glance. Your eyes and shoulders tell her where you are going. Vary the distances for turning back. A knotted halter works best for this kind of work and be sure to allow her about 4' of lead. When holding a horse close to the horse's chin, it actually invites the horse to lean inward. 4' of lead allows the horse to walk it's own path.

tlkng1 09-11-2013 07:38 PM

Try backing her up, quickly and far, rather than doing a yield and/or make her yield until she is just about blowing and THEN let her rest.

jmike 09-12-2013 10:57 AM

great advice --- i like the elbow thing


i keep web halters on them all the time (not sure if that is considered cheating) -- but i have a knotted bridle i can use or a mechanical hackamore


3-4 feet of slack is usually what i keep in the line


i will also try slapping her neck to get her out from in front of me --- but yielding her forequarters is a BIG must that i know i need to work on with her --- her front feet are not very yielding (i need to fix this)


she is barely to the point where she will back up --- she usually shakes her head and pulls her head back so we do it over and over and over -- one step at a time, and rarely will i get 2 steps backwards


i just started working with her and we have a long long long ways to go for getting the basic groundwork and manners


dealing with her - i am getting the impression that the girl that had her let her get away with a lot and reinforced a lot of bad behavior -- had her walkng circles on a lunge line the other day and she decided she didn't want anymore after 2 minutes -- so she turned her butt away from me and dropped her head and walked in on me --- she has done this before where she walks right into me

i am not sure if she is expecting me to scratch her head or neck or if she wants to move me out of my place. so i started swinging the lunge whip side to side between us to keep her out and she kept walking in until it was slapping her shoulders --- she reared, wheeled away, took off running (still on the lunge line) and started bucking (bucking and farting -- was a little bit hilarious) and then ran a few circles around me

i would say whoa -- make her yield her hind quarters away from me and try to get her walking again --- so she dropped her head and walked in right at me again -- so we rinsed and repeated

so -- i do think the girl that had her before let her get away with a lot and reinforced a lot of undesireable behavior --- my thoughts were to start at the begginning and get her to do all the basics the right way

SEAmom 09-12-2013 12:40 PM

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If it were me, is use a dressage whip or line whip as an extension of my arm. I wouldn't go in any circles. I don't like my horse telling me when to go and where. Plus, I have no desire to make myself dizzy. I expect my horse to walk next to me with his shoulders no further ahead than my own shoulders. When I stop (and I do at random points to and from the field mostly, unless he's trying to be pushy on the lead elsewhere), I expect him to stop. If he doesn't, I make him step back to where I want him to be.

When he was younger, he used to fight me a lot. He's always been a dominant horse and doesn't like yielding control to me, but he does (most of the time). When I first started working with him on space and respect, I used the whips add an extension of my arm to tap his legs and make him move.

You're horse isn't respecting you when she does those things, and that's a big deal in the horse world. I treat my horse as his herd leader and maintain that with him at all times. The last thing I want is for him to realize that he's bigger and stronger than me. His ignorance is my bliss, lol. Sorry this wasn't a better post, but it's hard to type much on my phone.
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jmike 09-12-2013 02:33 PM

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If it were me, is use a dressage whip or line whip as an extension of my arm. I wouldn't go in any circles. I don't like my horse telling me when to go and where. Plus, I have no desire to make myself dizzy. I expect my horse to walk next to me with his shoulders no further ahead than my own shoulders. When I stop (and I do at random points to and from the field mostly, unless he's trying to be pushy on the lead elsewhere), I expect him to stop. If he doesn't, I make him step back to where I want him to be.

When he was younger, he used to fight me a lot. He's always been a dominant horse and doesn't like yielding control to me, but he does (most of the time). When I first started working with him on space and respect, I used the whips add an extension of my arm to tap his legs and make him move.

You're horse isn't respecting you when she does those things, and that's a big deal in the horse world. I treat my horse as his herd leader and maintain that with him at all times. The last thing I want is for him to realize that he's bigger and stronger than me. His ignorance is my bliss, lol. Sorry this wasn't a better post, but it's hard to type much on my phone.
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was a good post :) i appreciate the information

thank you

tlkng1 09-12-2013 03:25 PM

My horse is generally well mannered but he does need the occasional reminder. I keep a free end of the lead line and if he walks ahead, I back him up and re-enforce that backing with taps to his chest with the end of the lead line. Having a dressage whip or crop in hand would also help the backing issue. Do not be afraid to increase the strength behind the tap but obviously only do it hard enough to get the desired response. Do not stand directly in front of the horse when doing this...stand at the shoulder or slightly ahead of that point and tap from the side.


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