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Kentucky 05-17-2009 07:57 PM

Warmbloods vs QH
 
i have noticed some talk of wanting American breeds to become similar to European Warmbloods and the way they are inspected before allowed to breed or at least allowed in the registery.

Warmblood breeds were created in the 17th century to created cavarly mounts for the various countries cavarly forces. The usual method had the king owning the stallions and either private farmers owning the mare or state stud farm. They crossed was usually a Andalusian or similar stallion bred to local mares, to create the first generation of the warmbloods. The inspection come from this state purchasing the foals (usually colts) for the cavarly service.

Quarter Horses were breed to create a better ranch horse than the mustangs that most ranches were using. yes some ranches had well bred horses too and then crossed the on local mares. Steeldust comes to mind as one of these horse.Then with the government's remount program of the early 1900's, TB stallions were now available to create more suitable mounts for the US cavalry. Any way they was crossed to create the fountation style QH, not all had TB bloodlines in them.

These two breeds or types were created for different reasons and by very diferent cultures

Skyhuntress 05-18-2009 02:46 PM

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. I don't think there has been any mention of trying to destroy typical American breeds-warmbloods and quarter horses are two entirely different kettles of fish, with different purposes. Instead, what is trying to happen in the warmblood community in North America is that instead of breeding anything and everything, more attention should be paid to the quality of the horse, and inspections and regulations should be more closely regulated so that the quality of the resulting foal is better.

appylover31803 05-18-2009 02:50 PM

What I believe Eddie is saying is that there are people that put blame on the qh breedings (I'm talking about big ranches producing lots of foals) for some of the overpopulation of horses there is today in the US, yet nothing is said about the Warmblood farms that are doing the same exact thing in the US.
Its like there is a double standard for breeding just depending on the breeds.

Kentucky 05-18-2009 04:20 PM

that is the main part of it and the people who want laws that put a limit on the number of foals a breeders. And they use the warmbloods as standard of how they feel this should be work. I feel that only buying quality foals and horses. Quality meaning as close to ideal conformation as possible as set by the registerity, with a mind that is close as possible to what your propose and skill level requires, and several other item that are known to you.

And as I said in the opening piece these two breed types (stock horses and warmbloods) were orginally breed for diferent ressons and by two differnt type of people. I am not saying one is inferior to the other one, just that there is a diffence.

smrobs 05-18-2009 04:29 PM

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I understand that the whole purpose is different for these 2 breeds but are you for or against the testing and inspection of QHs? I think that yes there should be some kind of monitoring to ensure that animals being bred are desirable and not just popping up out of a cull mare or stallion every year. If they are breeding quality animals, then I see no problem with breeding but the breeding of "undesirables" is what should be stopped. Though I do wish that even reputable breeders would slow down just a little to allow the market time to level out a little.

JustDressageIt 05-18-2009 06:07 PM

Eddie is trying to say
There are tests done in Europe to determine a horse's breeding soundness - if they don't pass, they are banned from being bred. (I'm talking performance and conformation)
Should this be implimented in North America?

Spastic_Dove 05-18-2009 06:54 PM

I think it should be implemented here. Obviously, in these inspections they would not be looking for the same thing they look for in a WB but I think an inspection for soundness, representation of the breed, conformation would be beneficial.

Kentucky 05-18-2009 10:26 PM

I think if there must be any inspections it should be done by the associations not by any other governing body. I feel the best time to inspect a horse is when you buy one if it doesn't meet your requirements don't buy from that breeders and if that animal has poor conformation or seems drugged or crazy, warn your friends. And if Noones buys from those breeds they will either learn what to breed or go out of business.

I prefer the free market to any other method of solving problems, like this one.

Joshie 05-18-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentucky (Post 309682)
I think if there must be any inspections it should be done by the associations not by any other governing body. I feel the best time to inspect a horse is when you buy one if it doesn't meet your requirements don't buy from that breeders and if that animal has poor conformation or seems drugged or crazy, warn your friends. And if Noones buys from those breeds they will either learn what to breed or go out of business.

I prefer the free market to any other method of solving problems, like this one.

I think that one of the problems with such a program in the US is that we're mighty stubborn. I think that even if an inspection program is implemented there would be much resistance. It's likely that AQHA would not like it because they'd lose money...or they'd raise their registration fees so high that only the very wealthy could afford registration. Then, you'd hear lots of complaints from the average QH breeder.

I think we'd then start new registries and they would register those horses that no longer for AQHA and APHA. It seems like there are daily posts on BB like this asking if someone should breed their horse to another breed, purposely creating a grade horse.

I am afraid that if such a program was implemented we'd end up with some very, very good horses and some very, very bad horses and little in between.

I'm not necessarily against such a plan. I just don't think it's feasible at this time.

Spastic_Dove 05-18-2009 11:13 PM

Absolutly if it were to happen, it would have to be by the association.


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