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Strange 09-19-2013 10:23 PM

Can a farrier cause a horrse to become thin-soled?
 
I'm rather curious, as a horse I know has been dealing with issues recently stemming from him being EXTREMELY thin-soled. He has only recently had any foot-soreness issues (recently as in the past month or so now) and is now in pads + Equipac as well as Farrier's Formula and he is getting sole paint and Reducine applied once a day.

He never really had issues like this before, but this year he has been competing inredibly hard and has been jumping higher and getting ready to move up to Intermediate level eventing. The ground where we're located can become quite hard, especially after dry summers, and only a few days before he started displaying foot-soreness he spent a weekend schooling a lot of cross country fences of significant height on this hard ground. I don't know if his hooves were packed afterwards with something like Magic Cushion or Rebound. Usually he doesn't get his feet packed so I don't think he got any of that.

The horse started being shod by a new farrier in May along with the owners' 4 other horses and my mare. None of the other horses have had any issues with their feet (minus my mare, but she had a lot of problems when I got her and her feet have only been getting better and better). So, back to my original question; can a farrier cause a horse that previously seemed to have no problems with his soles to become more thin soled? I don't know what the thickness of his soles was when they got him (I'm sure they had his hooves x-rayed, he was a pretty expensive horse and they covered all their bases when it came to pre-purchase exam, as far as I know) but apparently since being on Farrier's Formula he's grown about 5mm.

princessfluffybritches 09-19-2013 11:37 PM

I think someone can trim a sole too thin. They'd have to be real stooped to do it. Mostly it's genetic.

I think the owner should tell the farrier what the symptoms are and see what he says.

xlionesss 09-20-2013 12:02 AM

Could this new farrier be driving nails too deep? I believe this can be a possible concern.
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Northern 09-20-2013 12:34 AM

For the love of horses, please go to any of the natural trim sites & learn that the regular pature trimmers usually do the wrong thing: pare out sole which should be left on! The whole sole was meant to make contact with the earth (frog included) at each step, to circulate blood back to the heart & whatever other good things it does. There are knowledgeable trimmers on youtube giving this info free of charge, as well. No hoof, no horse, what to speak the unnecessary pain of incorrect trimming.

loosie 09-20-2013 04:33 AM

To answer your question straight, yes, farriery can definitely cause/create thin soles. BUT couldn't blame the farrier with the info you've given. Does the farrier pare/rasp into his soles, for eg?

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Originally Posted by Strange (Post 3678818)
I'm rather curious, as a horse I know has been dealing with issues recently stemming from him being EXTREMELY thin-soled. He has only recently had any foot-soreness issues (recently as in the past month or so now) and is now in pads + Equipac as well as Farrier's Formula and he is getting sole paint and Reducine applied once a day.

Assuming the farrier hasn't directly caused it, thin soles usually take some time to develop - assuming he had thick soles at all. Unfortunately that he's only recently become sore doesn't necessarily mean he had good feet until now. There may have been gradual 'low grade' issues that just mounted up. & perhaps the harder work was the 'straw that broke the camel'. Good that he's padded. Good diet & nutrition(who knows, may be the cause) will also help. It will take a fair few months at least to see any changes from nutrition.

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sure they had his hooves x-rayed, he was a pretty expensive horse and they covered all their bases when it came to pre-purchase exam, as
Unfortunately it's not something that's always noticed, or taken into account, thin soles, stretched feet, etc, etc being so common & often not understood.

So... if you would like a critique or advice on your horse's feet, more info, about diet, environment, etc & hoof pics (see link in signature) would be handy.

Patty Stiller 09-20-2013 10:25 AM

Yes some farrier problems can cause thin soles. The most common two are allowing the toe to flare/drift/stretch forward, which stretches the sole forward too and thins it in that manner,
The other would be trimming the toes too short from the bottom (trimming or rasping into functional sole), mechanically thinning it in that way.

BUT not all thin sols are farrier caused!! Metabolic issues can cause it, wet environment can cause it, genetics can cause it.

Seeing photos of the feet, taken from level at the side (camera ON the ground) and of the soles(straight on not at an angle) would be helpful to assess whether there are potential farrier issues or not.

spirit88 09-20-2013 10:56 AM

I thought wet environment softened the soles not made them thin.

PaintHorseMares 09-20-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spirit88 (Post 3681370)
I thought wet environment softened the soles not made them thin.

Doesn't make them thinner, but very soft soles are more susceptible to bruising.
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Trinity3205 09-20-2013 05:26 PM

Wet feet are much more prone to flaring and are very flexible which causes thinning soles over time. Been a never ending problem this year where I am.

spirit88 09-20-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Trinity3205 (Post 3684050)
Wet feet are much more prone to flaring and are very flexible which causes thinning soles over time. Been a never ending problem this year where I am.


So wet does cause thinning soles over time...Learn something new every day.:-)


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