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SueNH 09-30-2013 08:22 AM

New Hampshire- Hearings on proposed rules
 
While it is courteous to pick up around lawns and playgrounds this rule change also includes the woods in the middle of nowhere. Lots of our trails and snowmobile trails pass through DRED lands.

Subject: DRED TRAIL CHANGES




PROPOSED DRED TRAIL CHANGES FOR EQUESTRIAN USE.

NH PROPOSED CHANGES TO TRAIL REGULATIONS: URGENT



Please PASS this forward to ALL Horseback riders, trainers, owners, drivers, etc. The time is NOW to ACT~!



Commissioner Rose - new commissioner of DRED: NH Department of Resources and Economic Development : About Us

His recommendation was to make sure that horse industry has a presence at the Public Hearings. I am going to the following hearing, please JOIN me:


Date and Time: October 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Place: Hampton Beach State Park, Seashell Oceanfront Pavilion – Banquet Room, Hampton, NH



Please send your objections to: leanne.lavoie@dred.state.nh.us and to Torene.Tango-Lowy@dred.state.nh.us.



ALL Public Hearing Dates:

Oct. 1 1:00pm Concord DRED

Oct 1 6:00pm Plymouth University, Harold E. Hyde Hall, Room 220

Oct. 3 6:00pm Peterborough Town Library

Oct. 8 6:00pm Lancaster DRED

Oct. 10 6:00pm Hampton Seashell, Hampton Beach, NH



Recommendations:
•Have a prepared statement with a clearly crafted message that has a state-wide benefit if possible
•(Avoid the manure issue!) Stay positive and "Sell" your idea
•Focus on how trail riding will increase NH's tourism, branding, and outdoor theme brining more revenue to our state and enjoyment for families and children
•"Share the trails" as your theme and perhaps suggest a seasonal compromise
•Present a level headed (not emotional) response
•Bring a team, if you can, and make sure you have 1-2 STRONG spokespeople
•Get your stats together (how many riders, farms, trails) (how many people and clubs this would impact)
•Tell them how much you pay in TAXES as LAND OWNERS, this carries clout



Public comments welcome until October 24, 2013 and shall be sent to:

Leanne M. Lavoie
Program Specialist (Rule and Contract Coordinator)
NH Department of Resources and Economic Development
172 Pembroke Road – PO Box 1856
Concord, New Hampshire 03302-1856
603.271.3727 Ext. 418
603.271.2629 (fax)
leanne.lavoie@dred.state.nh.us

PROPOSED RULE:
Res 7301.09 Horses and Other Work Animals.

(a) Horses and other work animals used for riding, driving, or transportation of persons or goods, except for animals regulated by Res 7301.09, shall not be permitted on DRED properties other than as permitted herein.

(1) For coastal beaches, horses shall be permitted at Hampton Beach, from Hampton Beach South to Boar’s Head only, from October 1 through April 30.

a. The parking of horse trailers and vehicles towing horse trailers shall be permitted at the Hampton Beach South parking lot only.

(2) Horseback riding shall be permitted on all road-width trails unless closed or restricted by posting, and shall be permitted on other trails if posted open for such use. For purposes of this section, road-width trails shall be defined as trails that have a minimum eight-foot (8’) hardened trail tread.

(3) Driving of any horse- or other work animal-drawn vehicle shall not be permitted, unless permission has been granted by special use permit pursuant to Res 7400.

(b) Disposal of stall hay or manure shall not be permitted on DRED properties.

(c) Owners shall clean up all waste eliminated by their horse(s) or other work animal from public traffic areas, including all trails, multiuse trails and walkways, play areas and lawns and fields, campgrounds, beaches, and parking lots on DRED properties.

(d) The department may prohibit horses and other work animals in areas where such animals are permitted when the department determines there is a lack of compliance to this section by animal owners, or there is concern for public health and safety or resource protection.

Meeting locations:

Public hearing scheduled for:
Date and Time: October 1, 2013 at 1 :00 PM
Place: DRED's Large Conference Room, 172 Pembroke Road, Concord, NH

Additional public hearings scheduled for:
Date and Time: October 1, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Place: Plymouth University, Herbert H. Lamson Library - Heritage Commons
Room, 17 High Street, Plymouth, NH

Date and Time: October 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Place: Peterborough Town Library - Large Hall, 2 Concord Street,
Peterborough, NH

Date and Time: October 8, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Place: DRED Lancaster Office, 629 Main Street, Lancaster, NH

Date and Time: October 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Place: Hampton Beach State Park, Seashell Oceanfront Pavilion - Banquet
Room, Hampton, NH

SUMMARY (in regular English)

Reason: To REMOVE a requirement proposed in the DRED rule , currently in draft of equestrians to dismount their equines and to pick up trail manure when the animal is working as transportation. To AMEND the language of this document of any reference to equestrians being subject to a fine, or restricted from using DRED property if manure is left on the trail. There will fines or trail/property closures if rules are not complied with.

DRED’s definition of road width trails has become more restrictive to what trails you can ride without first getting permission for signage. The words “hardened trail tread” has made this more restrictive vs using “cleared corridor”. A six foot clear corridor is an acceptable width on many trail systems where a tread is 18 inches or wider. (The cleared corridor width accommodates passing other users.)

There are many reasons why these rules are not reasonable for equestrians.
There are many social and healthful benefits to individuals, and to the local/state economies coming from equestrian trail activity. The current language would restrict many equestrians who would not be able to comply or significantly limit trail access.

(c) Owners shall clean up all waste eliminated by their horse(s) or other work animal from public traffic areas, including all trails, multiuse trails and walkways, play areas and lawns and fields, campgrounds, beaches, and parking lots on DRED properties.
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greentree 09-30-2013 08:32 AM

Are we going to have to carry it off the property, too??? Good Luck, NH, wish I could be there for support. You would probably want to duct tape my mouth shut, however!

Nancy

SueNH 09-30-2013 08:37 AM

I'm waiting to fire off a letter. Keeps coming off too snarly.

If my horse drops a bomb on a playground I'm fine with picking it up but if I ride 10 miles out into nothing...

I've already decided that if it does come to pass my property will be closed to their beloved snowmobiles. I have a major corridor pass through my place and the snowmobile club is directly across the street. It will add 32 miles to the trip around the clubs trails.

greentree 09-30-2013 08:48 AM

You should have a big map that shows that printed up for the meeting!

I have been meaning to be nosy and ask...Is your DH a driving judge?

Nancy

SueNH 09-30-2013 08:52 AM

My husband is a truck driver who barely knows how to untangle a harness. I did most of the tacking up when we had drafts.

SueNH 09-30-2013 08:59 AM

Horse owners say state rules will leave them on unhappy trails | New Hampshire Animals


Horse owners say state rules will leave them on unhappy trails

By NANCY BEAN FOSTER
Union Leader Correspondent
http://www.unionleader.com/storyimag...q=100&maxw=350
Sophia Weeks of Goffstown, with her horse Rio, isn't happy about proposed changes to rules regarding riding trails on state land. (NANCY BEAN FOSTER/Union Leader Correspondent)

GOFFSTOWN --- Proposed changes to rules regarding horseback riding on state-owned land have the equestrian community pulling against the reins of what they consider unfair and unnecessary regulations. But the Department of Resources and Economic Development says the rules have always been in place — they're just being clarified.

Sophia Weeks of Goffstown travels to places like Bear Brook State Park in Allenstown or Lake Massabesic to ride her horse, Rio, on the trails.

"Horses need to get out of the ring and ride on the trails. It's natural for them," said Weeks. "And now we're being told we can't use the trails."

But Amy Bassett, public information and outreach specialist for the department, said that while the language of the rules may be changing, the substance is not.

"There's a misunderstanding of the rules," said Bassett. "Clarification is key."

Attorney Patricia Morris, whose practice focuses on laws regarding animals, said there are several elements of the rules that concern her and other riders.

Currently, the department's rules state that riding is limited to blazed, road-width trails unless otherwise posted.

The new rules would limit riders to hardened trails that must be at least eight feet wide.

By limiting the width and condition of trails, and requiring that the trails be posted, the state is essentially eliminating a large percentage of trails available to riders, Morris said.

Riders would also only be allowed to travel on trails specifically posted for equestrian use, Morris said, despite the fact that state law allows people to use trails everywhere for various forms of recreation unless otherwise posted.

Folks who drive horses using carriages would be banned from all state trails without specific approval.

But Bassett said horses have always been required to use road-width trails; the department is simply establishing what road-width means. Bassett said the rule isn't intended to limit riders.

"We're not saying that's the only place they can ride," said Bassett. "They can ride anywhere else it's posted for equestrian use."

Manure cleanup

Another change to the rules stipulates that owners of horses using the trails or beaches would be responsible for picking up their horse's manure.

Currently, according to the department, the rule states that hay or manure can't be disposed of on state property.

Bassett said there's always been a regulation regarding the disposal of animal waste, but it hasn't been listed specifically under the section in the rules that applies to horses.

"Now it's being called out in the horse section," said Bassett.

The requirement to carry out manure poses both logistical and safety issues, Morris said. In order to pick up manure, a rider has to get off the horse, let go of the reins, and somehow transport eight to ten pounds of waste safely out of the parks. Moving the manure off the trail might be a reasonable option, said Morris, but requiring a carry-out policy just doesn't make sense.

Equestrian Michael Williams of Stoney Brook Farm in Chichester, said that, according to the new rules, if the regulations aren't followed by everyone, the trails will be closed to all riders.

According to the department, the new rule states: The department may prohibit horses and other work animals in areas where such animals are permitted when the department determines there is a lack of compliance to this section by animal owners, or there is concern for public health and safety or resource protection.

Bassett said the department has always had the ability to restrict access or usage of state land to anyone when there are health or safety issues at play.

"We're not talking just about horses," said Bassett.

Bad for business

Heather Evans, owner of Follow Your Dreams Farm in Derry, said that having direct access to the Rockingham Rail Trail is a big draw for her fledgling business; losing the right to ride would hinder her farm's growth.

Equestrian Heather Tower said that folks who travel from out of state to ride the trails buy gas, stop for meals, and spend money in other ways while visiting. Limiting the trails would limit that income for many businesses, she said.

"People come from Maine, Vermont and Massachusetts to ride our trails in New Hampshire. They create revenue," said Tower. "I don't think the state is thinking about that."

Equestrian Patricia Koschek said the financial ramifications of the proposed changes would also affect the sale of horse properties throughout the state, and would reduce the income of businesses that sell equipment and supplies for horses.

"I think it's just crazy," said Tower.

nfoster@newstote.com

greentree 09-30-2013 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SueNH (Post 3758794)
My husband is a truck driver who barely knows how to untangle a harness. I did most of the tacking up when we had drafts.

OK, that clears that up!!

Nancy

SueNH 09-30-2013 07:09 PM

Rules could change for fishing and horse riding on state lands | Concord Monitor

Rules could change for fishing and horse riding on state lands

  • http://www.concordmonitor.com/csp/me...YPE=image/jpegJudy Lessels of Pembroke puts a bridle on her Haflinger draft horse Mischka before taking a cart ride at Concord Equestrian Center on Sunday, September 29, 2013. Lessels says she and Mischka frequent Bear Brook State Park but would no longer be able to do so if the rule changes proposed by DRED take effect. “They have special places that the trailers can park, and I know of no one who does not clean up after themselves or their horses.” Lessels said.

    (WILL PARSON / Monitor staff)




By ANNMARIE TIMMINS
Monitor staff
Monday, September 30, 2013
(Published in print: Monday, September 30, 2013)

The state has proposed several rule changes for state parks and lands that will, among other things, limit fishing hours on state beaches, allow pets on more hiking trails and, most controversially, potentially limit the number of horse-riding trails.
Tomorrow through Oct. 10, the public can comment on the proposed rule changes at a series of public hearings; tomorrow’s hearing will be held at 1 p.m. at the state Department of Resources and Economic Development at 172 Pembroke Road.
Comments will also be accepted by mail until Oct. 24.
There are many items among the nearly 125 proposed rule changes, though many are minor housekeeping revisions. The department hasn’t updated its rules for several years, said spokeswoman Amy Bassett. She is encouraging the public to weigh in.
“That’s why these public hearings are so good,” she said. “They can come voice their opinion, and that feedback goes back into the final (rule) writing.”

So far, horse owners have raised the most concerns, Bassett said. Kelly Normandeau of Concord, Patricia Morris of Center Barnstead and Hannah Howard of Salisbury are among them. They dislike two proposed changes in particular:
∎ Horse owners would be required to clean up manure left on trails as well as manure dropped in parking lots, on beaches and in parks. Bassett said this is already a requirement. She said the department is simply reorganizing its rules to put horse-related rules in one place.
∎ Horses could be ridden only on state-owned trails that were at least 8 feet wide and made of a hardened surface or on smaller trails that were posted open to horses. Currently horses can be ridden on any state-owned trail unless it’s posted as closed. Bassett said this isn’t really a change either, but horse owners vehemently disagree.
Horses could still be ridden on Hampton Beach, from Oct. 1 through April 30.
“You are disenfranchising a large amount of the tax-paying population from using these trails,” Howard said. She said the change would eliminate some of the trails she uses at Bear Brook State Park because they are narrower than 8 feet wide. “Why would you do that? If we don’t have the trails accessible, we will move to a place where it’s friendly to ride.”
Kelly Normandeau, owner of the Concord Equestrian Center in Concord, agrees.
“As citizens of the state of New Hampshire, the trails should be available to everybody,” Normandeau said. “They are trying to limit the use. As a taxpayer, my tax money goes toward keeping these parks open, so I think it discriminatory to try to limit their use.”
Morris, an attorney who practices animal law, said the manure removal requirement on trails is unsafe.
“I have no problem saying we have to clean up the campgrounds, parking lots, play areas and trail heads,” she said. “But if we are on a trail and we are required to dismount at the time (a horse drops manure), it will create a hazard for people on the trail, for other trail riders and for the horses.”
Morris said if a horse is spooked on the trail, it’s much safer to control the horse from atop it, not from the ground. She and other horse owners also noted that horse manure is biodegradable.

Bassett said the rule about horse waste would not require horse riders to pack the manure out, as some horse riders have said. It would instead require horse owners to kick the manure off the trail, she said. But requiring that manure be removed isn’t really a change, Bassett said.
The existing rule governing animal waste reads, “Animal owners shall clean up waste eliminated by their animal or animals from public traffic areas, such as trails and walkways, play areas and fields, campgrounds, and parking lots.”
That rule would still exist, but there would be a second mention of waste removal under a new section just for horses. It would read: “Owners shall clean up all waste eliminated by their horse(s) or other work animal from public traffic areas, including all trails, multiuse trails and walkways, play areas and lawns and fields, campgrounds, beaches, and parking lots on DRED properties.”
Morris and Howard said horse owners and horse-riding groups have always been careful to clean up waste left in more public areas such as parking lots. But they’ve never seen manure removal on the trail required or enforced. “That’s unrealistic and problematic,” Howard said.
The distinction between where horses can and can’t be ridden on state-owned property would be a bigger change, horse owners said.
Currently, horse riders can go on “all road-width, blazed trails unless closed by posting.” Road-width was never defined, so horse owners have gone on all trails regardless of the width, unless there was a sign prohibiting horses.
The proposed rule changes would define a road-width trail as being a minimum of 8 feet wide with a hardened surface. The proposed change would also reverse the current assumption that state-owned trails are open to horses unless otherwise posted. Horse riders could travel more narrow trails only if there was a sign saying the trail allowed horse riding.
Bassett said “the ultimate goal is to post signs” on the many narrower trails used now so that they too are available. She said the state would prefer to post trails as open than notice the trails as closed. “Permitted use signage is used on many DRED lands, multi-use trails, today and has been in use for decades,” Bassett wrote in an email. “Prohibitive signage gets vandalized quickly, is not “inviting” to trail users and is generally not desired.”
The department received so much attention last week about the proposed changes regarding horses that it issued a clarification Friday afternoon, reiterating Bassett’s view that horse riders will retain access to the trails they use now.
“Horseback riding has been permitted on all road-width trails, unless closed by posting, since 2006,” read the statement. “Further, riding has been permitted on trails that are signed for such use. In the proposed rules, DRED seeks to define “road-width trails” as having a minimum width of eight-feet. Horseback riding will continue to be permitted on trails as in the past, including road-width and trails signed for such use.”
Howard, who likes to meet friends from other parts of the state on centrally located state-owned trails, isn’t optimistic those signs would appear. And she disagrees with Bassett’s view that the state isn’t changing her access to trails.
“In this state economy or in any economy, are you going to print up signs for the trails we are allowed to go onto?” she asked.
Other proposed rule changes include the following:
∎ Fishing from state-owned beaches and parks, including Hampton and North Hampton and Jenness beaches as well as Wallis Sands and Odiorne Point state parks, would be prohibited from 9 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. Currently, there is no limit on the hours. Bassett said public safety prompted that proposed change; the state was concerned about people fishing during the busiest beach hours.
∎ Animals would be allowed on additional trails at Crawford and Franconia notches.
∎ Alcohol would be prohibited all year at Silver Lake State Park in Hollis. The current rules prohibits alcohol on July 4 and the Saturday and Sunday that follow, although Morris said the state has been disallowing alcohol at that park for the last two years anyway.
∎ Geocaching, a treasure hunting hobby that requires hiding small receptacles containing items on public lands, would also be prohibited on state-owned land without specific permission.
For information about the other proposed rule changes, public hearings or how to submit comments in writing, visit nhstateparks.org and click on “Who we Are.” When the new page loads, click on “Division” and then “Proposed Admin Rules.”

tim62988 09-30-2013 07:58 PM

NY doesn't do a lot right BUT we do have at least 2 state-owned/operated sections of land predominantly for horse riding

If you do end up in conversations with those that might be able to get something accomplished within the government end of things look at the Otter Creek Trail system & Brookfield trail systems in NY for inspiration, there are also a few others on a smaller scale.

New Hampshire's best way to keep everyone happy would be to create a few horse specific camping/riding areas, lose some land but gain some horse friendly land that can have narrower marked trails, some easy trails, difficult trails, a place where your horse can crap in the woods and no one will care... snowmobile the wide trails in the winter, families can hike them year round ect.... but then you don't lose it all as it sounds like you currently would

SueNH 09-30-2013 08:27 PM

I don't know. I know I can ride clear to Canada right now. If they limit riding on DRED lands I won't be able to.


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