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Corporal 10-02-2013 04:21 PM

DH is writing again, so question
 
You folks with Drafts, how much grain do you feed/daily?

smrobs 10-02-2013 04:36 PM

Drafts shouldn't be fed grain. They are so prone to EPSM that feeding any sort of grain can be damaging to them.

So, my drafties get nothing but 24/7 access to good hay.

However, in the past in draft horse circles or on working farms, drafts were fed anywhere from 10 to 30 pounds of grain every day...and more if they were deemed a "hard keeper".

Corporal 10-02-2013 04:39 PM

Thanks! What is EPSM?

smrobs 10-02-2013 04:40 PM

Rural Heritage Vet Clinic - EPSM in Draft Horses

Corporal 10-02-2013 04:45 PM

Thanks, again. I didn't know this. Can't say I'll ever own a draft horse, but I WILL remember nix on the grain. =D

jaydee 10-02-2013 04:51 PM

We have our mini Clyde (Clyde X arab) and the Irish Draft and I could keep them looking fatter than they need to be on cardboard and baler twine!!!

smrobs 10-02-2013 04:57 PM

Yeah, unfortunately, the discovery of EPSM is rather new in the grand scheme of things and that's the reason why so many plow horses got used up in a hurry in the old days. Farmer would feed them grain and cause an EPSM flare, the horse would lose tone and muscle and would be weak. Farmer would think "well, it's a hard keeper, just needs more feed" and up the grain ration....which would in turn make the horse lose muscle and strength faster. Vicious circle.

Captain Evil 10-04-2013 08:24 PM

My draft gets a 20% fat top dressing, Omegatin, plus flax seed, oil, supplements and hay cubes to soak up the oil. He gets enough fat to make up about 20% of his diet (counting his hay).

Dietary Recommendations for a Horse with EPSM
by Beth A. Valentine, DVM, PhD

"Overhauling your horse's diet is the first line of treatment against EPSM. The goal of the EPSM diet is to decrease soluble dietary carbohydrates (grain) and increase fat. You want to provide 20% to 25% of total daily calories from fat."

You'd think he would be fat from all the oils, but he isn't.

loosie 10-04-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by smrobs (Post 3777786)
However, in the past in draft horse circles or on working farms, drafts were fed anywhere from 10 to 30 pounds of grain every day...and more if they were deemed a "hard keeper".

...Not that feeding 30+lb of grain daily to a beast could possibly be the reason for it being a 'hard keeper'...

Hang on Fi 10-05-2013 12:08 AM

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My girls shouldn't be getting ANY, but where I board she wants to give them "some" so they will associate her positively... So if they get loose, they'll come to her. Fair enough, but pretty sure Fi is a glaring example why these breeds don't need grain if they have pasture as an option!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...wr/confofi.png

When I originally brought Fi and Harley to the facility she wanted to charge us MORE because she was under the notion that they required MORE grain, when in turn required little to none... My intentions are to cease all grain, because... Well, they certainly don't need it.

Now, when Harley was on a dry-lot, she required grain to maintain her weight. The hay wasn't the best either (also a deciding factor on her weight loss/gain).


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