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Ace80908 10-10-2013 04:06 PM

Trainer asking for cut of winnings?
So the World Show is quickly approaching, and I am now taking lessons twice a week to get my horse ready for in-hand trail.

He is a yearling, when I got him in June he went to my trainers for a 45 day boot camp as he had no training at all up to that point. I brought him home mid July and took lessons one a week for a month, then twice a month for the next. I just started back up to prep for worlds, and I was floored when my trainer casually mentioned that her training contract states she gets 50 percent of any winnings. I was floored.

Since bringing him home mid July, I have taught him to walk and trot quietly on the lead, to pivot, to set up and work him twice a day for about 25 minutes each session. He trots the nearby hills, and I have got him pretty fit while keeping him happy. My lessons are invaluable, but only a very small percentage of the time I have spent getting him ready. For her to ask for 50 percent of winnings when one of the classes is a color class that has nothing to do with the trail lessons is unbelievable.

I did not sign a contract with her, and this trainer has not accompanied me to the shows he has been in this year, shows that he has done well in. He has taken Grand and Reserve in Open Halter, gotten tobiano color and amt halter points as well. I value her expertise in trail, but it is a deal breaker to me that she wants 50 percent of his winnings when at most she has worked with him 10 percent of the time.

I told her it wasn't going to happen and I'd stop the lesson and head home right them, for the above reasons... she said "Well, I am flexible and I'm not going to do that to you". I was quiet for awhile then we went on with our lesson and nothing more about it was said, but I don't think the topic is over... .

Do any of you all have any experience with trainer percentages when a horse is not in full time (or even part time) training? I have NEVER heard of percentages for going over for lessons.

EdmontonHorseGirl 10-10-2013 04:09 PM

I don't have experience with this, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. You didn't sign anything agreeing to what she is now saying, so she can't force the issue. If she wants your business in the future, she'll let it drop.

I would just be certain that if you do use her in the future and she wants you to sign something, read it VERY carefully.

Speed Racer 10-10-2013 04:11 PM

Unless the horse is being trained and shown by the trainer, they get none of the winnings.

SorrelHorse 10-10-2013 04:16 PM

Well that's ridiculous.

There's certain instances where a trainer would get a percentage.

This is not one of them.

Ace80908 10-10-2013 04:24 PM

That is my thought as well. This girl is good. She won the Worlds last year in the in hand trail with a colt that was (and continues to be) in full training, so I get that she was paid percentages.

I am paying for her expenses (hotel, food) at the Worlds and paying day fees for her to guide us through.nHe will be in the yearling geldings and the in hand trail futurity classes, both of which have cash payouts - but I am showing him in those. I will also be showing him in the tobiano color and amt in hand trail classes, while she will be showing him in open (no money awarded for those classes, just a buckle, jacket, and title) and I am paying her a handling fee for that. A girlfriend and I are hauling down together and so we are splitting fuel and hotel costs between us, and then trainer is sharing our hotel room and we are paying for her food. The friend is also paying day fees for her horse. I thought this was standard and expected.

Thanks for confirming, I hate conflict and this threw me off.

LadyDreamer 10-10-2013 04:45 PM

While it IS standard and common courtesy to give your trainer a cut even without contracts, 50% is not usually what is given or asked for.
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Ace80908 10-10-2013 05:08 PM

If I wasn't doing the majority of the training myself I would agree with you, LadyDreamer - this gelding is at my house, fitted by me, worked by me twice a day 6 days a week, and before a week ago hadn't seen my trainer in over a month (I was going over during that time with my show mare who has since finished her show season). I am now going to lessons twice a week (45 minutes each lesson, 20 of which are free lunging). Since there is only futurity class that is relevant to my lessons, one that I am showing him in - what would you think her cut should be? I will not give her a cut of the color class futurity moneys as she had nothing to do with preparing him for that. I would consider a token cut from the in-hand trail futurity class winnings, to keep the peace - but think it's crap that she is springing this on me now, 3 weeks before we leave for the show.

Speed Racer 10-10-2013 05:13 PM

10% would be maximum, and that's only if you feel generous.

Ace80908 10-10-2013 05:20 PM

I get that she needs to make a living, but things like this is why I generally do things on my own... I think I am going to look at the calendar and work out exactly how many times he's gone over there, and determine the percentage of the time she's worked him. I would bet money it wont be more than ten percent. I go back for a lesson next Tuesday. I am going to sit her down and show her the numbers and tell her 10 percent of the trail class is what I consider fair, and if that isn't OK then I will do Worlds on my own. And that will be the end of my doing business with her. Hopefully it won't come to that but I refuse to be taken advantage of.

oh vair oh 10-10-2013 06:33 PM

It's common if your horse is in full time training and the trainer is showing the horse.

If you are doing the majority of the work, housing the horse, and showing the horse, then the winnings are yourssss. If she isn't showing the horse, it's not her "win". If she wins in the open, the buckle/ribbons are hers, and that's that. :/

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