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SweetTyree 10-11-2013 05:02 PM

Appendix Cross (what do you think?)
 
Okay so just wondering what everyone's thoughts are of the breed? Good experiences / bad experiences? etc. pros and cons?
Im looking for a more english typey horse , more floaty gait , more speed.. etc No specific discipline really. I have heard its the best of both worlds?...

Dam- Mj Sweet Tyree Quarter Horse
Sire-http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/many+moons
This would be the lineage of the foal...

horselovinguy 10-11-2013 08:09 PM

Are you looking to breed an appendix or buy one?

I think you are looking to breed by your last sentence in your post ....

Like with any horse or any breed I believe you can get exactly what you want or a what have I done, as in a bad combination.

I've had appendix horses and yes, mine was a nice horse.
I have also had "pure" Thoroughbreds, Quarter Horse, Morgan, Arab and some great "mutts" of who knows what breeds they came from.
I bought not bred so was able to pick and choose the traits I desired that would work best for me.

Your horse has some nice blood, but there are no guarantees when breeding only hopes and wishes for what will arrive in due time...regardless of how much quality in the bloodlines of both sire and dam...

Doodlesweaver 10-11-2013 08:22 PM

Appendix QH/Arabian = best horse I've ever seen. Perfection, IMHO. Everything good all rolled into one.

Saskia 10-11-2013 11:49 PM

So are you looking to buy a particular foal or breed one?

I think that great horses can come in any breed or mixed breed. That when buying a horse consideration should be given to the horse in front of you, more so than just breeding. In many breeds I have seen excellent and poor individuals.

However, saying all of that I would only breed for a registered "purpose" foal. I'd breed for the best example of that breed I could, choosing parents that are similar enough to compliment each other and breed a foal with a solid "purpose". This is because I think breeds are there for a reason. People have spent many years breeding horses to get individuals who are perfect for their purpose. These days lots of people breed crosses that while okay don't often excel. That's fine, and it's fine to own horses like that, I've owned some great crosses but I don't think it's a good idea to purposely breed these.

This may sound like an anti-breeding rant, and it's not meant to be! I'm just saying that you can go out there and buy the near perfect horse that people have spent generations breeding, but crossing two rather different breeds you don't know what you're going to get. You might get a QH built horse with a flighty TB temperament. You might get short legs on a fine body, a low headset on a fine build. One of the slowest, laziest horses I know is a TB, so you're not guaranteed speed. I've seen a few different QH crosses and they can be vastly different. Some are absolutely gorgeous and talented and some are just...not.

Think it through, I did the numbers a while ago on if I should breed a horse, and by the time you pay stud fees, vet fees, feed and care for a mare for a year and a half, and a foal for however long, it's often a similar cost to buying a foal or yearling, or even a two or three year old, and then you can see what you're getting, less surprises and I think you have a better chance of getting what you want.

So I don't know, I like Quarter Horses, and I like Thoroughbreds, but I don't know if a cross would suit any purpose well.

SweetTyree 10-12-2013 08:10 AM

Im breeding my mare to my friends TB stud. I understand that , it may not be exactly what i want but my horse never had good groundwork and i would like to have a foal from day1. Ive had too many sellers lie directly to my face , not know enough about the horse etc. I would never intend to sell the foal , and it would be registered AQHA. I dont really want a perfect horse that i can go buy if thats what i wanted id just go buy one. I want a foal out of my mare , and i want him to be the sire... ive seen too many QH's around here who have the same conformation faults as my mare so thats why ive chosen him. :)
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TruGing 10-12-2013 07:09 PM

Personally, I don't think it gets any better than an appendix. I had one as a kid and own one now and they are just wonderful. Easygoing and hardy as a QH, but athletic as a TB. Both of mine have had a more TB build, but I've ridden horses where it went the other way and they still felt like a TB rather than a QH if that makes any sense. I think it's the alertness, they are always right with you or even a step ahead of you. In my experience they are quick and tough, but eager to please. They're also pretty smart, which has gotten me out of more than a few jams. My current Appendix is the most excitable one I've ever met, especially under saddle she can be more than a handful. However she always takes care of me when it counts and loves to be ridden. They can excel at just about anything you put them up to.

Of course, it mostly depends on the individual, but I have had nothing but good experiences with this cross. I could probably write a book on why they are perfect but I won't now :) good luck!

SweetTyree 10-12-2013 08:35 PM

Thank you! TruGing thats exactly the answer i was looking for lol. Im glad you've had positive experiances :)
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stevenson 10-12-2013 09:37 PM

besides looking at your mare, good and bad faults.. what are the stallions ? what is the stallions lineage ? other offspring look like ?

SweetTyree 10-13-2013 05:53 PM

Many Moons- Many Moons Thoroughbred
He is a grandson of Dr Fager and Man O War.
He has sired foxhunters, jumpers, hunters, nice children's hunters, adult amateur hunters, personable hack and show mounts who are sound of mind and body.
He carries a black gene , most offspring are bay.

DraftyAiresMum 10-13-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetTyree (Post 3860041)
He carries a black gene , most offspring are bay.

Then he carries the agouti gene, as well as the black base gene.

All horses are one of two base colors: black (EE or Ee) or red (ee). Then there are modifying genes layered on top of the base colors. On black, you have bay agouti (AA or Aa) and brown agouti (AtAt or Atat). Red-based horses can carry agouti, but it does not manifest on a red coat because agouti works to restrict black and since red horses have no black, there is nothing for the agouti to restrict.

Since the stallion is registered as bay, he is either EEAA, EEAa, EeAA, or EeAa. If he produces predominantly bays, then he is most likely EEAA (or possibly EeAA).
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