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PalmSwift 10-12-2013 04:08 PM

Questions about competition from a non-horse person!
 
Hello everybody!

I am just your average college student who, admittedly, does not know anything about horses and does not ride. But within the past few years, I have reconnected with some friends who are avid riders (actually, as of the posting of this thread, I am watching the live stream of the PA National Horse Show bc I know a few folks who are competing in the medal finals tomorrow).

I have a couple of questions about judging and competition (and please forgive me if my terminology is just dead wrong ) :

1. Are there deductions if a horse clips a jump but does not dislodge the bar (or bars)?

2. To riders watching other riders, is it obvious when someone has a near-perfect or immaculate round?

Thank you very much! Hopefully I can learn a bit during my time on these forums!

Dreamcatcher Arabians 10-12-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmSwift (Post 3851569)
Hello everybody!

I am just your average college student who, admittedly, does not know anything about horses and does not ride. But within the past few years, I have reconnected with some friends who are avid riders (actually, as of the posting of this thread, I am watching the live stream of the PA National Horse Show bc I know a few folks who are competing in the medal finals tomorrow).

I have a couple of questions about judging and competition (and please forgive me if my terminology is just dead wrong ) :

1. Are there deductions if a horse clips a jump but does not dislodge the bar (or bars)?

2. To riders watching other riders, is it obvious when someone has a near-perfect or immaculate round?

Thank you very much! Hopefully I can learn a bit during my time on these forums!

#1 - It depends on the class and the rules for the class. The higher level competition, the more likely a touch is to count. Usually in the rules it will tell you how many points they'll deduct for various faults. Usually a rail down is 3 faults and if a touch counts, it's 1 fault. If it's a timed round there can be time faults too.

#2 - If it's a hunter round you can tell if it's an excellent round or not but there's a subjective element that's up to the judges. If it's strictly a jumper round then it's all about time and clear or not clear and if there are faults.

A Hunter round is different from a Jumping round, so you'd have to give us the names of the classes for a little bit better definition. Does that help a little?

PalmSwift 10-12-2013 04:46 PM

It certainly does! And I am referring to the "Hunter Seat Equitation Medal Final" if that helps!

Oh, and I have another question to tack on, riding-wise: what is the significance of riders wearing white pants vs. tan pants? I'm noticing both in the warm-up round that's live right now.

Dreamcatcher Arabians 10-12-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmSwift (Post 3851825)
It certainly does! And I am referring to the "Hunter Seat Equitation Medal Final" if that helps!

Oh, and I have another question to tack on, riding-wise: what is the significance of riders wearing white pants vs. tan pants? I'm noticing both in the warm-up round that's live right now.

Is it Hunt Seat Equitation Medal Final (over fences) or (flat)? And re: the breeches, it's personal choice, usually depending on the color of your coat. White is generally considered more formal and will probably be worn with a black or maybe dark navy coat. Since it is a formal class, you could see some in shadbelly, canary vest and white breeches.

PalmSwift 10-12-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians (Post 3852441)
Is it Hunt Seat Equitation Medal Final (over fences) or (flat)? And re: the breeches, it's personal choice, usually depending on the color of your coat. White is generally considered more formal and will probably be worn with a black or maybe dark navy coat. Since it is a formal class, you could see some in shadbelly, canary vest and white breeches.

It's over fences. I just can't comprehend how these riders can remember the course on the fly. o.o I mean, I'm a competitive sailor but it's just not the same kind of mental acuity.

Dreamcatcher Arabians 10-12-2013 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmSwift (Post 3852473)
It's over fences. I just can't comprehend how these riders can remember the course on the fly. o.o I mean, I'm a competitive sailor but it's just not the same kind of mental acuity.

It's funny how quickly you learn to memorize the courses. When I first started riding hunt seat, I thought I'd never get it. And then it just clicked. Now......I couldn't remember past 2 or 3 fences (if I could stay on over them anymore that is) and I don't ride hunter anymore but jumping sure was fun! :lol:

updownrider 10-14-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmSwift (Post 3851825)
It certainly does! And I am referring to the "Hunter Seat Equitation Medal Final" if that helps!

Oh, and I have another question to tack on, riding-wise: what is the significance of riders wearing white pants vs. tan pants? I'm noticing both in the warm-up round that's live right now.


In an Equitation class (which is judged on the rider) a rail down will only count if it is rider error. Rubs/touches are usually judged the same as a rail down. Riders have won equitation classes and finals such as the class you were watching yesterday with a rail down. I believe the rider that ended up 2nd overall yesterday had a rail down in the first round.

If you see white breeches, they are for special classes. You will not see them for equitation classes. In the warmup round, riders may have shown in an early class that required them and not had time to change.

A rail down in Jumpers is 4 faults and a refusal is 4 faults. Two refusals and you are excused. I haven't seen a touch/rub class in jumpers in many years, although I am sure they still exist.

In a Hunter class (which is judged on the horse), rails and rubs do count amd the penalty is high.

hunterjumper1998 10-16-2013 09:06 PM

For the equitation part, it's judged on the rider and the horse should reflect the rider's ability. You generally see the dark navy or black hunt coats, not sure about the shadbelly. Equitation riders wear the tan breeches, as well as hunters. White breeches are normally just seen in jumpers.
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