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WinstonH123 10-13-2013 09:42 PM

How to teach a horse to back up on the ground?
 
As you know I am working with Charlie on ground manners. He should be able to back up on the ground but the only way he will do it is if I put my hand on his chest and push while saying BACK. I want him to respect me more and for him to learn how to back up without me needing to physically make contact with his body. Any ideas?

All4Crystal 10-13-2013 09:54 PM

First work on disengaging his back end. When you point at his butt he needs to hide it and face you, looking at you with both eyes. Make sure he doesn't get in to your personal space. If he does, throw your hands up, stump your feet, do whatever it takes to show him he needs to back away.
Try this kind of exercises: (have him on a lead rope at first and use a crop or a stick)

Northernstar 10-13-2013 10:01 PM

That was good, All4Chrystal! My Morgans both came to me trained similar - 'wiggling the rope' for backing up works best... My QH requires more verbal/aggressive cues, however, although she's a compliant horse otherwise. Wonderful video! :)

WinstonH123 10-13-2013 10:05 PM

Ahh great video! I think Charlie would just stand there if I moved to his sides, and if i move at him he just stays firmly planted on the ground! He's being stubborn and I'm not sure what to do!! He also will walk around and stand facing my back... like be squared up behind me. I have no clue why.

Northernstar 10-13-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WinstonH123 (Post 3862201)
Ahh great video! I think Charlie would just stand there if I moved to his sides, and if i move at him he just stays firmly planted on the ground! He's being stubborn and I'm not sure what to do!! He also will walk around and stand facing my back... like be squared up behind me. I have no clue why.

He may be seeing just how much he can get away with, and if you are indeed the alpha - my first horse, Star used to do this all the time when I got her, and when she realized she 'didn't have my number after all', obedience set in nicely! :)

bsms 10-13-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by All4Crystal (Post 3862041)
First work on disengaging his back end. When you point at his butt he needs to hide it and face you, looking at you with both eyes. ...

Hmmm...if my mare did that, I'd kick her butt. I don't know what disengaging the rear has to do with backing a horse up. But then, I just tug backwards on the lead rope, or push her chest. :?

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Originally Posted by WinstonH123 (Post 3862201)
Ahh great video! I think Charlie would just stand there if I moved to his sides, and if i move at him he just stays firmly planted on the ground! He's being stubborn...

Maybe, or maybe he's like my horses. I don't want them moving around when I go to their sides or approach their head.

All4Crystal 10-14-2013 12:05 PM

Disengaging the back end is important. You have to be able to move your horse's feet in order to make him move backwards. Especially if he is one of those that plant themselves and refuse to move. I'm sure your horse backs up, however every horse is different. Sure she can teach her horse to back up by wriggling the rope, but you got to start somewhere. Some horses are more willing to back up than others. Horse that is not willing to move is not going to back up unless you have a way to move his feet. One step at a time... ;)

Not sure why would you kick your horses butt for responding to you??? May ask why?
This horse was moving the part of his body I asked him to move. If I asked him not to move he wouldn't have. In fact I could park him in the middle of the round pen and run in circles around him, while cracking the whip, and he would not move a muscle; all 4 legs would stay glued to the ground. If horse does what you ask for, it doesn't deserve getting it's butt kicked.

bsms 10-14-2013 12:24 PM

If I walk past my horse's head, I do not expect her to follow me. I do not want her spinning around because I walk back and forth. If that is how you have trained your horse, fine. I don't see it as a positive, so I don't want my horses doing it.

The OP's horse will back up with pressure on the body. So the problem is not getting him to back up, but getting him to back up on a cue the OP desires to use. I do not see the OP's problem as a respect issue, but a training one - what cue does she want to use? The horse needs to be trained to respond to THAT cue, since he already backs up with a different cue.

jaydee 10-14-2013 12:27 PM

I need my horses to back up at all times - not just when they're attached to a rope so I don't use it as part of training other than in the first stages when I put some pressure on the horses head with it at the same time as putting pressure on the chest to push the horse backwards while saying 'Back'
If a horse doesn't respond to a gentle push then it gets a sharp slap and a more demanding verbal cue and it keeps getting that until it steps back and I then go back to the lighter contact.
Don't ask for too much at once, a few steps at a time is enough to start with
I don't rely at all on a lot of pressure on the head for backing up because I don't want to make that a habit that resurfaces under saddle - you want the horse to back up at the lightest touch on the reins
To start with repeat the word 'Back' for every step, say it loudly and clearly - your horse will eventually learn to associate it with the action you want from him

All4Crystal 10-14-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by All4Crystal (Post 3866218)
This horse was moving the part of his body I asked him to move. If I asked him not to move he wouldn't have. In fact I could park him in the middle of the round pen and run in circles around him, while cracking the whip, and he would not move a muscle; all 4 legs would stay glued to the ground.

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Originally Posted by bsms (Post 3866370)
If I walk past my horse's head, I do not expect her to follow me. I do not want her spinning around because I walk back and forth. If that is how you have trained your horse, fine. I don't see it as a positive, so I don't want my horses doing it.

Where did I say my horses move when I walk past their head? They only move when I want them to move, when I ask for "whoa" they do not move.


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