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CowPony 06-12-2009 03:34 PM

Thinking about breeding my mare
Hey guys I'm thinking about breeding my 5 year old bay dun solid paint mare. I really want a foal to start and i really want a palomino paint or a grullo paint. But can you get a palomino or a grullo out of a bay dun mare? Anyway I need help with searching for the right stallion i don't care that much about his show record or his peddigree. I only care about if he has excellent conformation (because Janie has excellent conformation and I would like to keep that aspect in the foal.), he's a paint with color, he has great temperment, and if he breeds with a bay dun the foal will be a palomino or grullo paint if possible. The only thing that im worried about if I breed my mare is that would her body be ruined if she has a foal? Will she stay slim or will she get the "brood-mare belly" after she's had her foal? Any advice or knowledge about color genetics and breeding would really be appriciated!

close2prfct 06-12-2009 04:02 PM

I am normally not the one to jump on the "do not breed" band wagon but this time I must say something.
First off, having a foal is a huge responsibility it's more than color, more than flash and more than that cute spindly legged foal bouncing around the pasture.
If you have never dealt with breeding horses, pregnant mares, foaling, or the aftermath I suggest spending some time at a breeding facility and watch all aspects way before breeding your mare.
If you are concerned about a "brood mare belly" don't breed her as her body will change and if looks are that important to you now you will be very disappointed after the baby.
Problems do arise the health of your mare and the foal is something not to be considered lightly I know I just lost a foal & although his mom had the best of care was sound, healthy and happy the baby was severely crippled and could not walk or stand let alone nurse. Misty was pregnant when I got her, I did not have a choice to breed or not breed her but had to do the best I could do for her to ensure her and the foals health, sadly enough we lost him but could have very easily lost her as well. Is it worth the risk of losing your mare for a foal? Those risks are real as are the risks of waiting an entire year for a foal to lose it with in days of being born.
So please before you have your mind set to breed your mare think long and hard if it is worth all the risks for a foal
if you want to see a pic of the baby we lost check my post "waiting for baby"

lovemyponies 06-12-2009 04:09 PM

I don't know much about the color thing but normally your mare could go back to being very much the same after the baby, I know of a nice show horse who had 3 babies in a row. However there is always a possibility of the mare or foal or both dying, etc. Read all the posts on this subject that you can, read about the sad stories, cost, etc. Then think about it and then start looking for a stud if its something you really want to do.

appylover31803 06-12-2009 09:00 PM

If you're wanting a specific color, why not go out and buy a foal? It will be tons cheaper than having to pay for a stud fee and all the vet visits your mare is going to need before the foal even arrives. And there is no guarentee the foal is going to come out the colors, or personality or even conformation that you want.

I strongly suggest you re-evaluate breeding your mare, especially if you dont care about what he's done or his pedigree. (which if someone is looking into breeding those two should be at the top of list and should be considered) You wouldn't want to breed a western type stallion if you're wanting to ride english.

MacabreMikolaj 06-12-2009 09:37 PM

Breeding for color is one of the WORST ideas ever thought up. It's a complete gamble, and unless you're breeding chestnut to chestnut, there are rarely guarantees (except in cases of homozygous of course, but again, depends on both breeding partners).

Seeing as how your mare is bay dun, she's no "fancy" color. Which means the chances of having a "fancy" colored foal from her are pretty slim. To have a grullo, she would have to be bred to a black based stud, and there are no guarantees she won't just throw her agouti on the foal and give you another bay dun. Even if the sire is homozygous for black, you have about a 50% chance of getting a bay dun again, with about an 18% chance for black dun (grullo). There is no way to know if she'll pass her agouti on or not. And if she's homozygous for agouti, you'll never get a black based foal out of her.

If you bred her to a cremello, you'd get the best chances at a "fancy" colored foal, as it's most likely to be a palomino, palomino dun, or buckskin (if she's homozygous for agouti, it's much more likely to be a buckskin).

The point is, you should be breeding for athletic ability and prowess, not for a "purty" color, because there is NO guarantee you'll get a "purty" color, and then you're stuck with not only a boring foal, but an ugly foal that nobody wants because you chose the palomino stud over the twice as nice boring chestnut stud.

So think it through, since you're most likely to just get another bay dun anyway unless you can dig up a decently conformed cremello stud.

JustDressageIt 06-12-2009 10:16 PM

Are you formerly known on this board as Horselover_4ever or something to that effect?
If so, then we have had this talk before, and my answer hasn't changed.

If not - breeding for color should be the LAST thing on your mind. The fact that you want a certain color does scare me, what happens if the foal doesn't turn out to be that color?
If you want a certain color, go buy it - you'll be able to find a horse of the color you like for less than a stud fee.

You are putting your mare at risk by breeding. She could develop "broodmare belly."
It sounds as though the aesthetics of the whole thing is first and foremost in your mind at the moment, it might be best for you to sit down and really think first.
What if the foal isn't the right color? What if the foal has conformation faults? What if the foal has health problems?

LeahKathleen 06-12-2009 11:17 PM

Why not buy a foal for a FRACTION of what you would pay to breed your mare? That way you get the color you want, with no risk of getting a "plain" foal. And you don't have to worry about a mare. If aesthetics are your goal, and you've never bred before, breeding isn't for you. Horse ID: 1407176 - CINNAMON Horse ID: 1404375 - Hanna Horse ID: 1404821 - 2009 Palomino Overo Filly Horse ID: 1386461 - Name Pending Horse ID: 1378514 - BR South Blue Acre

Foals are in high supply. Think about it.

JustDressageIt 06-13-2009 12:17 AM

Please ignore if you are not the same person - I have a hunch you might be though?

LeahKathleen 06-13-2009 12:22 AM

Hm... two members with a horse named Janie Belle - what are the odds?

JustDressageIt 06-13-2009 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by LeahKathleen (Post 326699)
Hm... two members with a horse named Janie Belle - what are the odds?

That other thread went much like this one as well - the whole "I want a baby to be colored."

Maybe I'm wrong.

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