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stacieandtheboys 06-21-2009 05:17 PM

Another hoof question Low heels/Pigeon Toes
My gelding has low heels. He is an ex race horse and has always had shoes. He is 11. My farrier said he would never be able to go without shoes because of his low heels.

Is this true? I don't care one way or another but a lady decided not to buy him because he required shoes.

My farrier doesn't care one way or another if he needs shoes or not (he isnt out for money). Many times he has come out only to decide that the horses could wait a couple of more weeks. He always does a great job.

Also just another thing I thought of. I bought my mare as a recip mare who had not had foot care except when she was in foal. She is pigeon toed and so to get her balanced up we put on front shoes when we bought her because she was acting lame in her front feet. The shoes corrected that. (after felxion tests and nerve blocks the vet recommended it) Anyway it has been over a you think we could pull her front shoes. I mean all that happens is we have to put them back on right? Guess I need to ask the farrier as well.

just wondering.

StormyBlues 06-21-2009 09:37 PM

My recomendation to anyone with horses is get a master farrier. They make their own shoes, and they will know excatly how to raise your horse's heels and fix the pigon toes! Our farrier has fixed every problem with our horses, and I don't think we will ever use another!

smrobs 06-22-2009 01:18 AM

I'm sorry to disagree with you Stormy, but pigeon toes cannot be fixed unless they are dealt with during the critical bone growing time as a foal. Once they are grown, all you can do is maintain foot care to keep them balanced. I would go ahead and pull her shoes and just see how she does. She should manage very well since she is now on track with proper care. I have a very pigeon toed horse that I just had to have shoes put back on today because I have been riding him a lot and his feet are wearing at a very strange angle and putting pressure on his joints. Shoes are the only option for him short of a farrier visit every couple of weeks to even them out.

As for the gelding with the low heels, you might visit with another farrier just to get a second opinion on your options there. :)

Nutty Saddler 06-22-2009 01:34 AM

Stormy blues - I suggest you keep to girl talk and fashion

Pigeon toes is a conformation defect that can only be corrected during bone growth as SMROBS has correctly said. If the horse appears to be pigeon toed because of incorrect balance then the horse isn't pigeon toed but has incorrect trimming

Low heels can be corrected with correct trimming but it takes a bit of time, difficult to say anything about your case without pictures.

I have all my horses barefoot now - even those that a farrier said would always need shoes, if you can I would think about getting a barefoot specialist to advise you on yours - never hurts to get a second opinion

StormyBlues 06-22-2009 02:11 PM

Sorry, I thought pigon toes were something differnt. I would still suggest getting a master farrier

smrobs 06-22-2009 03:06 PM

No sorry needed. :p Everyone should learn at least 1 new thing every day. :D

StormyBlues 06-22-2009 03:22 PM

^haha true!

Appyt 06-22-2009 06:00 PM

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My mare, Heidi is pigeon toed and came to me with low underslung heels as well. Our own barefoothooves is my trimmer and has been working with Heidi for a couple years, other than a trim or 2 when she was out having her baby. This is Heidi's case study page, oops needs updating doesn't it? LOL As you can see, she does not need shoes. Trim the hoof to balance with the live sole, not for the outside "look" of balance/ ie straight not pigeontoed. She will always be PT'd but with good trimming she shouldn't go lame down the road due to someone trying to make her hooves LOOK straighter.

btw, my dil's coming 18 yr old mare is almost as pt'd as Heidi and she's just fine trimmed to her needs.

Some Master Farriers might have done a lot of things to correct that which is best left as it is and only trimmed to optimize health. Swiping a rasp over the "growing out of balance" wall every couple of weeks is way more healthy than having a shoe on for 6-8 at a whack.

Ok, that may be a rant.. sorry. ;)

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