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rallen9491 10-30-2013 12:50 PM

Hoof pain?
 
For the past several months after everytime my horses (we have 18) are trimmed at least 5 or them (sometimes a few more) are very sore when they walk for a few days after the trimming. They are trimmed ever 6-8 weeks by routine. Its usually always the same horses who are acting sore. Does this mean my farrier is trimming them too short? Or could it be something else? I have asked him in the past to not trim them so short, especially their heels but he did the "I am the one who went to farrier school, not you" gig. Is it normal for horses to be sore after trimming for a few days?

Kayella 10-30-2013 12:54 PM

Definitely not normal, especially if he's been trimming them for some time. Can you post pictures of their feet?

I personally don't like farriers that can't take directions or suggestions. I would have responded, "Well I'm the one who's paying you" routine. :wink:

Clava 10-30-2013 12:55 PM

A horse should NEVER be sore after a trim.

Saddlebag 10-30-2013 01:22 PM

Some are a little too aggressive when cleaning dead sole, especially around the coffin bone. It often isn't necessary to do this as it affords the horse some protection.

spirit88 10-30-2013 01:28 PM

Horses shouldnt be sore after a trim not normal. Sorry but any farrier who sored up my horses, after sevral visits would be not coming back. My guess is hes carving out to much sole and carving out the frog that will make a horse sore.

Patty Stiller 10-30-2013 09:11 PM

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For the past several months after everytime my horses (we have 18) are trimmed at least 5 or them (sometimes a few more) are very sore when they walk for a few days after the trimming.
NOT OK.
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They are trimmed ever 6-8 weeks by routine. Its usually always the same horses who are acting sore. Does this mean my farrier is trimming them too short?
probably.
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Or could it be something else?
Even of those particular horses have special hoof issues, then special care needs to be taken with them to prevent the recurring soreness. OCCASIONALLY even under normal circumstances a horse MIGHT get a little tender for a day or so after a trim, especially with recent envirnmental changes (lots of rain in the days before for example) or if the horse just shed off a thick layer of dead sole in the trim. But when it happens repeatedly, it is usually farrier fault. OR the horse has something else going on like sub clinical low grade laminitis, or internal issues with his coffin bones. Even the most conservative trim can set off soreness in feet lie those.
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I have asked him in the past to not trim them so short, especially their heels but he did the "I am the one who went to farrier school, not you" gig.
Heels DO need to be trimmed short. leaving them is not in most horses best interest Now if he is whacking heel off CLUB feet, that is a different story. Nearly always when a horse is sore after a trim it is from something done wrong in the toe, not the heel. And not all farrier schools teach the right things.....in fact very few do.
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Is it normal for horses to be sore after trimming for a few days?
Like I said, OCCASIONALLY it happens to the best trimmers and farriers, but should not ever be repeatedly. And especially not after you have told him the horses got sore the last time. And with his attitude he deserves to lose a client.

princessfluffybritches 10-30-2013 09:38 PM

"I am the one who went to farrier school, not you" gig. Is it normal for horses to be sore after trimming for a few days?


I would be rolling on the floor laughing. 18 horses is a pretty substantial account, only an idjet would risk it.

Since you own the money, the horses, and the cell phone, you have the right to tell him if anymore horses are sore, his number will be deleted from your speed dial . TELL , not ask.

loosie 10-31-2013 12:15 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't just accept it - it isn't normal & if it happens continually is more likely the fault of the farrier, especially if they're 'off' for days, but I wouldn't want to judge the farrier based only on this information, as the horses may be laminitic, have other issues, and also leaving them 6-8 weeks between trims, while common practice, may be contributing to their problems.

Have you spoken to the farrier about it? If he says something like 'that's just how some horses are' or such, I wouldn't be happy but it could be that he's not aware of what's going on & can help you resolve it.

Patty Stiller 10-31-2013 10:14 AM

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as the horses may be laminitic, have other issues,
And It is the farrier's job to be able to recognize signs of those issues and adjust his work acordingly. Most are easy to spot , with the right training and experience. (but sadly not all farrier schools teach those skills, and some come with only years of trimming and shoeing)
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and also leaving them 6-8 weeks between trims, while common practice, may be contributing to their problems.
6 8 weeks is about right for most horses who are getting trimmed adequately in the first place, and/or who have the environment to self trim some in between. Trimming sooner than that in many environments removes the thin layer of protective hoof material too often . Here in dry Colorado I have horses who need NOTHING trimmed for months. They remain on their soles with no hoof distortions for many months because of the hard abrasive ground. And when I DO trim them it is usually just rasping a teeny bit of heel back , and cleaning off a bit of overgrown bar.
On those horses in that environment, if I were to rasp AT ALL on the bottoms of their toes, especially every 8 weeks, they would get sore. THIS is the kind of stuff a farrier needs to consider as he gets to know individual horses especially after he has been told that the horses were getting sore after every trim.
Failing to accept what the owner is telling him about the horse and just continuing on with the same trim approach anyway is enough to get fired, in my book.

Patty Stiller 10-31-2013 10:15 AM

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Have you spoken to the farrier about it? If he says something like 'that's just how some horses are' or such, I wouldn't be happy but it could be that he's not aware of what's going on & can help you resolve it.
The OP did say the they spoke to the farrier about it and he blew them off.


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