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horseloverd2 07-09-2009 10:56 PM

Controversial two-point?
 
Okay... so I have been very confused by this.

I DID see the article (think it was by MIEventer but I can't bet on it) about jumping positions. But I have seen so many people actually get on the horses necks while jumping and I personally think it looks unnatural. But everyone (the "advanced" teachers) seem to teach it! Like this:

http://www.merriwoodranch.com/jump.jpg(pic from merriwood ranch)

But I was thinking that this:

http://www.regardinghorses.com/wp-co...authenic-2.jpg

maybe is better? I guess what is stumping me is that laying on their necks (expecially in a small jump) seems a bit... idk. :S I was hoping someone could give me info on these. I am currently practicing it while NOT laying on the neck:

http://i25.tinypic.com/2w24dx3.jpg

what do you all think? Is there a right/wrong way? It seems to restrict movement in my experience with it. What do they look for in hunters? (If they even care) Thanks and sorry bout the black/white thing with the above pic:) ^^

anrz 07-10-2009 08:07 AM

I think it is better to not lay on the horse's neck because then you restrict their jumping ability. I think it's best to just get out of the horse's way and let them jump the jump (I'm not talking about striding, just the actual jump). I agree with you, the first picture and jumping like that looks unnatural and wrong to me. I just can't get past looking at that upper body to even notice the rest of the rider's position.

iridehorses 07-10-2009 08:26 AM

You see so many riders on their horse's necks that many people think that it's the right way to jump - it's not. You are adding weight to his front end and making it more difficult for him to jump. In effect, you are unbalancing him and yourself. A rider that leans forward typically has to swing their legs back to keep their seat and thus becoming a pendulum.

The way I was taught was to keep my legs on the girth and use my butt to offset my upper body. As my head and arms get lower to the horse and more forward, my butt goes back to keep me in balance. The horse rises into me as the rider instead of forcing myself to lean on his neck.

I hope that explanation is clearer then mud! :D

barefoot 07-10-2009 11:37 AM

Well the 2nd picture shows someone jumping a much larger fence, so the position is better for a more heighted jump and get your weight off your horse. In the 1st picture, the rider is helping support the horse over a smaller jump. They're both appropriate for the size of the jumps.

PoptartShop 07-10-2009 11:56 AM

Yeah, I don't really like the first picture...I mean, you should crouch down a bit, but not overdo it. ;)
The second picture looks better, I agree.

My Beau 07-10-2009 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barefoot (Post 347466)
Well the 2nd picture shows someone jumping a much larger fence, so the position is better for a more heighted jump and get your weight off your horse. In the 1st picture, the rider is helping support the horse over a smaller jump. They're both appropriate for the size of the jumps.

I agree!
Plus, the first picture looks like a hunter rider, that's just how they jump. It doesn't make it completely right, but it's what gets them blue ribbons, so they do it. And over jumps that small, there is really no harm done.

Now, if you wanna talk bad jump position - check this guy out:
http://www.hphanoverians.com/index_files/frankie1.jpg
I would call this a... problem.

RidingBareback 07-10-2009 12:36 PM

Hmmm... I've never really thought about that. I agree with you, though. If you lay on your horses' neck you are just putting yourself and your horse off-balance. Standing just takes the weight off.

mayfieldk 07-10-2009 01:52 PM

I believe you will find this article/post VERY enlightening... I did! :)

Glenshee Equestrian Centre: The Crest Release... and how it Ruined American Jumping

LoveTheSaddlebreds 07-10-2009 03:38 PM

Ive never known how people can jump on the horse's neck like that... I can only do the correct way..

LoveTheSaddlebreds 07-10-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My Beau (Post 347512)
I agree!
Plus, the first picture looks like a hunter rider, that's just how they jump. It doesn't make it completely right, but it's what gets them blue ribbons, so they do it. And over jumps that small, there is really no harm done.

Now, if you wanna talk bad jump position - check this guy out:
http://www.hphanoverians.com/index_files/frankie1.jpg
I would call this a... problem.

lol the horse looks pretty though! :D


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