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aruraeclipse 07-13-2009 03:00 PM

Barrel racing horse selecting experts!
 
hello all,
I was just curious, I want to start Rhiszo on barrel training, wondering to all barrel racing experts out there, do you think he has the right body for the job? He's very energetic and I know that he can turn on a dime when I'm not on his back, he's a grade QH and was given to me, but didn't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, fit the situation at the time. I love him very much and I'm going to keep him and I wanted to wait and see where he's going to take me, because I wanted a sport that is suited for him, where I don't ride english, I thought he'd be good in speed events, I haven't seen a horse this fast in all my life so far and been brought up around them, as long as I can train him right, I think this is a good western sport for him! He has the nice big sloaping shoulders and I find he has short thick cannons.. What do ya think of his body conformation for barrels? (sorry they're winter pictures, but they're just pictures from Feb)

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3866/img8717n.jpg
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IdahoCowgirl 07-13-2009 03:36 PM

How tall is he? He looks shorter bodied which is good. and he has a thicker back end (could be bigger but it would work ;) ) I'd pattern him in it and see how he does.

reining girl 07-13-2009 03:38 PM

Hes not bad. He has a nice neck, short back but also a short underline, you want a longer underline cuz you get a longer stride. Hes got short pasturns so thats good. All in all i think he would be good for speed events. He might not be the next Scamper, but just starting out in barrels you dont need a big time winner, just something to get ya going.

aruraeclipse 07-14-2009 10:46 AM

Hello,
Thank you very much for the reply, I greatly appreciate it, his body is a bit longer than it looks in the winter pictures, I got on my other computer here where I have all the summer pictures so far this year uploaded and a few action shots to see what you think. I don't think that the winter pictures does it justice, where they're so fluffy in the winter!

I need to start this boy slow, like walking the pattern till he does it flawlessly, and than move on to the next gate, but slow down around the barrels, and keep moving up etc..etc. I use to have a barrel pony that was so funny, but she ran full out all the time, she was quite a something but that's way back when I was eleven or twelve.

What do people mean by a short underline? I read something its an abdominal muscle? or the distance between the elbow and the stifle?

reining girl, I was wondering if you have any videos of scamper. sounds like a great horse. I'm in with Rhiszo for the long haul to make sure he does good, and that it is his thing, I don't want to "make" it his thing, I want to make sure he is suited for it.

Anyway, here is more pictures to see in action... and 2 of them are confirmation like pictures.

ps, I think from looking at the picture where it looks like he's taking off, it would be nice to see him dip his hind end a bit more. But I'm not 100% positive on that either.

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Mercedes 07-14-2009 12:00 PM

He's built fine for barrels.

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Originally Posted by aruraeclipse (Post 350221)
Hello,
I need to start this boy slow, like walking the pattern till he does it flawlessly, and than move on to the next gate, but slow down around the barrels, and keep moving up etc..etc.

No, what you need to do is get his feet fixed as they are unbalanced. Then you need to fix his back, loin and sacrum, which are tight. Then you need to spend 8-12 months doing dressage work to supple and strengthen him enough that you can control his shoulder and he can engage properly. During this period you should also be doing hillwork, cavalletti and hacking/galloping work with him to further build strength and stamina.

THEN, you try him on barrels and if you've done the prep work, you won't need to spend a million runs on the pattern. In fact, you shouldn't be doing the barrel pattern very often, otherwise the horse anticipates, tries to take over the ride and you'll run into a bunch of problems that will take forever to fix.

aruraeclipse 07-14-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoCowgirl (Post 349536)
How tall is he? He looks shorter bodied which is good. and he has a thicker back end (could be bigger but it would work ;) ) I'd pattern him in it and see how he does.

Thank you very much IdahoCowgirl, I think he's about 14 and a half hh. He's larger than my other horse Eclipse, but where I have long legs I look funny on a short horse/larger pony. :)I'll keep people updated once I start him on the pattern.

aruraeclipse 07-14-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercedes (Post 350268)
He's built fine for barrels.



what you need to do is get his feet fixed as they are unbalanced. Then you need to fix his back, loin and sacrum, which are tight. Then you need to spend 8-12 months doing dressage work to supple and strengthen him enough that you can control his shoulder and he can engage properly. During this period you should also be doing hillwork, cavalletti and hacking/galloping work with him to further build strength and stamina.

THEN, you try him on barrels and if you've done the prep work, you won't need to spend a million runs on the pattern. In fact, you shouldn't be doing the barrel pattern very often, otherwise the horse anticipates, tries to take over the ride and you'll run into a bunch of problems that will take forever to fix.

Hey Mercedes!
How can you tell he's unbalanced, or how do you know he is? I never thought that he was. I was reading quite a few sites and books about barrel racing, and they were all professionals and you want to perfect each level, and when the horse starts to anticipate, urge, and push him till he starts to do it right, and all the trotting, loaping and running will build his stamina. You don't allow the error to happen, that way you can get a perfect barrel run, if you don't do it often and your horse still doesn't know the pattern, he's going to anticipate, and he's not going to fully know the pattern than, so he's not going to know, got to give him a good foundation, because I want him to only know barrels when I set him up for him, get the basics and than season him. I agree with getting him supple though, that he does need, he needs to be able to flex, turn than burn. With all the lessons that he'll need to go though, I know that its not wise to make him bored of the pattern because I want his heart to still remain in it, he has to want to work. But that goes with training a horse. I also agree with hill work, because trotting and loaping up and down a field really work out their muscles, and makes their muscles long instead of short and stiff. Thank you for the heads up, I have to get the basics on him first and than start teaching the pattern.


I know and am aware that there is a lot of work going into any horse that you want to perfect. I was just seeing about his confirmation and where it stands for a barrel prospect where you can see him grown up.

sonalex00 07-14-2009 10:01 PM

Thank you so much for the post. It's really useful.

demande pret personnel

aruraeclipse 07-14-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sonalex00 (Post 350825)
Thank you so much for the post. It's really useful.

demande pret personnel

your very welcome, I learned a lot by how the horse is shaped that there is a lot to account for, but another good thing is to see the horse move. I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but I seen Rhiszo run, and he might be a bit stiff when he turns, but I can make it up with the speed he runs. There is always a lot to account for and there is always lots to learn.

reining girl 07-15-2009 01:04 AM

Scamper was charmayne james amazing barrel horse. Type in charmayne james and scamper into google, im sure youll find something. I think he could mkae a barrel horse.


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