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bagshawfarm 07-20-2009 12:43 AM

Swelling under jaw and large lump on left bone?
 
My 6yo TWH started friday not acting right(head down, slow moving, but still ate supper and all since, tonight she has swelling under her jaw and large lump that feels like her bone on left side of jaw! She feels extremely warm (however can't find thermometer) compared to other horses and cool night. She had all her vaccines on Wednesday last week. Any suggestions?

FGRanch 07-20-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bagshawfarm (Post 355345)
My 6yo TWH started friday not acting right(head down, slow moving, but still ate supper and all since, tonight she has swelling under her jaw and large lump that feels like her bone on left side of jaw! She feels extremely warm (however can't find thermometer) compared to other horses and cool night. She had all her vaccines on Wednesday last week. Any suggestions?

By any chance did your horse has it's distemper shot? My guess would be that your horse got distemper from the shot if he did have the shot. It's rare but it does acutally happen, especially if it was given in the muscle or it it was given orally while teeth were pulled or there was some kind of open wound in the mouth.

bagshawfarm 07-20-2009 01:02 AM

Her name is Annie, She got EWT-flu, West nile, Rhinopneumonitis, Rabies, Strangles and had her coggins pulled. What should I be looking for and do I need to be worried about my other horses?

reining girl 07-20-2009 01:08 AM

could she have broke her jaw?? it almost sounds like strangles but you got her vacinated for that. I would have the vet come out and take a look, it could maybe be an abcess or infection.

bagshawfarm 07-20-2009 01:16 AM

I can't feel a break! Dosn't mean it isn't there though! It is hard and warm but you can't pull it away from bone.

Shalani 07-20-2009 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bagshawfarm (Post 355345)
My 6yo TWH started friday not acting right(head down, slow moving, but still ate supper and all since, tonight she has swelling under her jaw and large lump that feels like her bone on left side of jaw! She feels extremely warm (however can't find thermometer) compared to other horses and cool night. She had all her vaccines on Wednesday last week. Any suggestions?


What do you feed her? including hours at pasture and what kind of grass is she on.
As big head came to mind.

I had a horse with this ( I was supplementing calcium at the time) and no vet could tell me what it was! After hours of study I concluded it was big head . As she was on setaria.

The effective treatment is MOVE HORSE OFF PASTURE & cal plus & Kelp . 1 cup of cal+ & 50ml of kelp daily in feed for 1-2 weeks depending on severity . You should see results within a week if so decrease amount to recomended daily amount .


Some info for you, hope it helps.

Big Head, or Bran Disease as it is also called, is a bone disorder found in horses due to a low absorption of dietary calcium.

The low calcium in the diet leads to low blood calcium which in turn causes the horse to start 'mining' calcium and phopshorous from the bones to maintain normal blood calcium levels.


Normal blood calcium levels are vital for survival as clacium is involved in a whole range of bodily functions, including blood coagulation, muscle contraction (including heart muscle), glandular secretion and temperature regulation.

As calcium and minerals are mobilised from bones they are replaced by fibrous connective tissue, which causes the bone to enlarge. In young, mature horses, this bone enlargement is most obvious in the facial bones, giving rise to the name 'Big Head'.

Big Head is most commonly seen in horses grazing tropical grasses such as kikuyu, buffel and setaria species. These grasses contain substances called oxalates that bind up calcium, making it unavailable for absorption from the bowel.

The disease is also known as Bran Disease because it was once common in horses fed high levels of bran, due to the high phosphorous, low calcium content of bran and the presence of phytates in bran which also bind up calcium.

High grain diets, which are also high in phosphorous and low in calcium, can cause similar signs.

Horses develop enlarged facial bones particularly above and behind the facial crests. Sometimes the nasal passages can become obstructed leading to a respiratory noise during exercise. If the leg bones are affected, the horse may have a shifting lameness, and bone and joint tenderness. Leg and vertebral fractures can occur due to the weakness of the bones.

FGRanch 07-20-2009 01:26 AM

Do you know where the strangles shot was given? Strangles is the same as distemper. It sounds EXACTLY like strangles to me. It it is it will burst open, and you will need to run a course of antibiotics. And yes if it is distemper you need to be concerned about your other horses unless they have either had their shot or had distemper before.

bagshawfarm 07-20-2009 01:27 AM

We have just moved and they have 40+ ac that they are grazing. The left there comfy lives about 3weeks ago so things have been a little different. However they have a salt and mineral block out and they are still getting oats at night.

bagshawfarm 07-20-2009 01:30 AM

Not sure but I think it is the same side. SO they can get strangles from the vaccine? and it still spreads to the other that were vaccinated as well?

FGRanch 07-20-2009 01:35 AM

It should not spread to the other horses if they have been vaccinated. So the strangles shot was given in her muscle or orally?


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