Wintec western saddle fit. Lifts at back?
So I already have a wintec as my English saddle and fits my chap great (the wintec wide range), so I thought I'd treat myself to the wintec western in the Full QH bars as my boy is in a 3xw purple gullet in his English wintec.
Anyway I tried a semi QH and it was too narrow. However I'm having a issue that when I move the western back to where it wants to stop behind is shoulder and cinch it up it then comes up at the back and very low at the front infact with me on board I,m barley able to fit my hand in the sides at the front with a normal pad under it.
However if I push the back down it then has quite a lot of space at the front when I'm not on board haven't tried it when iam.
I tried using my built up pad but then it doesn't look right to me as although it's then off his shoulders it's still not completely down at the back and more "perched" ontop (attached photo of it is with built up pad under it) I haven't cinched it up really tight at all.
I haven't done more then sit in it for a few mins as I wasn't sure if it was hurting him,
I wanted a wintec western as there light weight and I only want it for hacking (trial) riding as everything else I have my English for.
Having only ever ridden western when I've been in the states or Canada I've never paid much attention to how the saddles fitted as it was either friends horses or at a centre. Anyway if it doesn't fit I'd rather know and I will sell it and not bother but if there is something I could do.
When I pull it further forward it sits better without the built up pad, I don't know if its cause he is soooo wide and has hardly any wither, he is only 4 so still growing.
My tablet will only allow me to upload one photo at a time :(
Take some pictures of it on your horse without the pad and without it cinched up. Show it from the front, side and back...
(I had my English girth converters on it in this photo) and thanks for the reply Laura yes I will take some tomorrow of it just on him without anything
it's possible that it is rockering on him. In ohter words, the opposite of bridging. you know what I mean? the place with most contact is right in the middle, so the front and the back "rocker".
try it on his back without any pad. put it way too far forward, like up on his neck practically, and shove it toward it's "place". as you get close to where you think it should go, slow down, and kind of tap it with the palm of your hand for the last few inches. tap lightly. if it needs to move more to find home, it will. once it settles into "home", you will feel more resistence to your light taps. Check the fit there.
reach your hand up under the fender and feel right up under the tree, running your hand from as far forward as you can reach to as far toward the back as you can reach (all under the fender/skirt, from standing at the side of your horse) . Does the contact of the tree to the horse feel even the whole way?
I don't know anything about western saddles but it does seem to be a general problem with English Wintec saddles - if you're lucky and they fit your horse you're OK but if not they do seem to have a tendency to tip forwards
Hi I have had it on him without any pad (will take photos of it without tomorrow), If I put it more on his withers it does sit "ok" , if tho I allow his massive shoulders room it seems to sit ok without a pad or being cinched up at the front there's a nice amount of room and it makes contact with his back all the way till the back where even without a pad it lifts slightly (although less then when it does have a pad under it)
Having said that without a pad at the front there is a fair amount of room. It's not laying flat against him like it does in the middle if that makes sense?
However if I start to tighten the cinch or put a pad under it makes it lift worse :( my English wintec I loveeee and has saved me a fortune as since we bought him he has literally expanded up 3 gullet sizes!! (He was undernourished when I got him) and he is a highland cross so he is meant to be big. But his English wintec doesn't do it at all although it's the new style 500 wide version (designed specially for these types of horses) and he is very happy in it. I do plan on having a leather English saddle made for him when he stops growing but whilst he is still expanding I didn't see the point.
Will take detailed photos of it on him without anything, think the "rocking" maybe a possibility, unsure what I could do to fix that?
If it's tilting at the back then it's sitting too low on the shoulders. If you push on the back and the front comes comes up then it's too wide, and likely pivoting on a spot in the middle, where it does make even contact (ie rocking).
You can try a good built up pad, as you said you had, but if that doesn't solve it then I don't think much will.
Saddles have to have the right shape, if it's a little out you can use pads, but if doesn't fit at all there isn't much you can do.
Hi I didn't get a chance to try it out today but will do tomorrow, IF with the built up pad it sits much more even and IF it makes contact all the way along BUT at the back in the middle still is up a bit. Does that matter or could it just be that its new as is the pad and needs bedding in? E.g providing the seat area is making contact does it matter if the bit of skirt is lifted in middle as per this photo?
The way it's sitting it doesn't look like it's making contact across the back.
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