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smilin1590 08-04-2009 03:48 PM

Using 2 trainers
So my main goal in my riding career was to one day start eventing. As of now I mainly ride jumpers and a little bit of the hunters here and there. The trainer I'm with now does light training in eventing and goes to a few mini events. She mainly goes to schooling shows so that all her students can afford it but I would like to go to USEA shows. I love her to pieces and is also a very good friend of mine. I want to really start going in depth with eventing though and I know of another trainer in my area who is really good and goes to many USEA events in the spring and summer. I still want to train with her but I also want to train with this new trainer and go to shows with him as well. How can I approach this situation without offending her. PLEASE HELP!

MIEventer 08-04-2009 04:02 PM

Lookit - Eventing is not something to take lightly. This is a dangerous sport, for both horse and rider and having an educated and experienced coach is a big step forward to being safe, prepared, knowledgable, and ready for those challenging rides.

I personally, would never train under someone who does mini events - those are nothing, I repeat - nothing compared to a Recognized USEA Event.

Don't get me wrong, we all have to start somewhere, but to put it bluntly, someone who only dabbles in very low levels of eventing, has no business training anyone in the sport.

You want to be under someone who is much further up the levels than you, someone who has been competing in this world for many years, who has obtained many hours of experience on all varieties of CC fences - who can guide you, help you, encourage you and train you thoroughly.

Also, when you show up at a recognized Event - regardless if you are doing Novice or Prelim - you are up against competators who take this sport very seriously, who are mentally and physically prepared and who have been doing this for quite some time.

Again, don't take me the wrong way - riders have to start somewhere and the mini events are great avenues for greenies to venture into to get a somewhat taste of what Eventing is. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, I highly encourage it and support it - but for someone who wants to climb the levels educatedly, safely, with full preperation - must do it under someone who is far and above their riding level in that particular sport.

1) This is your education
2) This is your time, your effort, your needs
3) Your horse, your money

Do not underestimate this sport. You will be thankful in the long run knowing you have the right, educated, experienced coach to help you, to guide you, to have under your wing.

smilin1590 08-04-2009 04:06 PM

Thanks for such a quick response! :) I still don't know how to tell her that I would like to still train with her but also start training with the experienced event trainer as well.

mls 08-04-2009 04:07 PM

I would talk to both of them (trainers).

Many MANY times, an upper level person who is active has limited time for training and welcomes assistance from a qualifed person to help keep his or her students on track.

Perhaps the three of you can have a conversation.

MIEventer 08-04-2009 04:17 PM

Your safety is on the line.

Ok, ok, ok - I have to appologize because I am not so tactful. I am very picky on my coach because there are far too many uneducated coaches turning out uneducated riders - and where Eventing is involved, you cannot risk the chance of going out on the CC course uneducated and unprepared.

So - I think of coaches as a business arrangement.

Ok - you hire a plumber, you want that plumber to be experienced, older, knowledgeable on their craft so that they do a good job.

They don't do a good job, you don't want to pay right?

That is your right as the customer needing a service. Your money, your choice, your time, your horse - you are hiring a trainer for a service, to educate you.

No difference between a trainer and a plumber in the long run - or anyone you pay for a service.

You go to a restaurant, you don't like the food, you go somewhere else. You take your dog to a groomer and they do a horrible job, you don't pay and go somewhere else...

No difference.

You are putting to many emotions into the equation - this is just a business arrangement. You want someone more quallified to do the job, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Least to me it is :)

Of course you want to make it nicer than how I put it. You guys are friends, so be tactful - lol.

MyBoyPuck 08-04-2009 05:20 PM

If you were talking about two coaches who share the same area of the sport, yeah you might be stepping on toes. But it sounds like these two coaches run in two very different circles. I see no reason why either one would be offended. If you feel strongly that you get benefits from learning from both of them, I personally see no problem with using them both. I use my eventing coach for dressage and x-country, but there's hunter/jumper instructor who seems to get better stadium jumping out of me, so I occasionaly do jumping lessons with her.

smilin1590 08-04-2009 05:37 PM

Thanks for all the feedback so far. I mean I guess she does do minimal eventing stuff but I want to try and take myself somewhere with the sport. She has also offered to take me to some mini events but I doubt she has what it takes to help me really reach some sort of potential in this sport(not saying she hasn't helped shape me and my horses into great jumper athletes in the H/J circuit...because she has) but this is different. I'm just so nervous about presenting this idea to her :/

StormyBlues 08-04-2009 06:17 PM

You shouldn't be. If she is a friend, she would want you to be safe and educated just like MIE said. I would never go to another trainer right now because mine has helped me more in the last year than the uncertified trainer I was riding with helped me in like 4. I woud just sit her down and say that you really feel like you want to start really eventing more than H/J and that you think the other coach would be better for that. She shouldn't be offended.

As for Minitrials being easy and nothing like a regonized trial, I would slightly disagree from my POV because the mini trial I did almost seemed more chalenging than a regonized. But that just might be the trial.

cheply 08-05-2009 11:36 AM

I think a lot of coaches who only teach basic stuff realize that one day their students are going to move on to a more advanced coach.
I know mine does. She has even told me who I should go to next (when I am ready) and at what barns theres good advanced coaches at.

Just explain to her that you really want to get into some advanced stuff and that an eventing coach would probably be safer and better for you.
There's nothing wrong with moving up.

hotreddun 08-05-2009 12:24 PM

I agree with mls...I think you could use both and if they are both good trainers they will understand that. IMO only immature, useless trainers are offended when a student gets more than one opinion. The USEA trainer is probably super busy and wouldn't mind your regular trainer taking on the "day to day" flatwork chores. I would see if I could get maybe a weekend or two out of the USEA every month with specific goals in mind and then go to the regular all the time in between.

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