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aharlov 01-03-2014 10:33 AM

Lunging bitless
 
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I have been working with a horse in a round pen, free lunging AND on the line, and he is fantastic. Very attentive, picks up on cues the second I ask them, etc.

The two times I have tried to lunge him OUTSIDE the round pen, however, he has pulled pretty hard on the lunge when asked to move up a gait (trying to pull out, which he obviously can't do in a round pen).

He is ridden bitless and I prefer to not use a bit with him. Any suggestions on how to get him to not pull on the line? Seeing as a tug of war will end in me on the ground and him smug for it. :)

ecasey 01-03-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aharlov (Post 4441018)
I have been working with a horse in a round pen, free lunging AND on the line, and he is fantastic. Very attentive, picks up on cues the second I ask them, etc.

The two times I have tried to lunge him OUTSIDE the round pen, however, he has pulled pretty hard on the lunge when asked to move up a gait (trying to pull out, which he obviously can't do in a round pen).

He is ridden bitless and I prefer to not use a bit with him. Any suggestions on how to get him to not pull on the line? Seeing as a tug of war will end in me on the ground and him smug for it. :)

What about using something like a Nurtural bitless bridle? I'm no expert, so maybe these aren't good ideas, but seems like they might work. So long as you could get it to release as soon as the horse gives to the pressure. I'm looking at one right now, and it seems like it would do this for ya. But get advice from someone who's actually done it, since I haven't.

equitate 01-03-2014 12:01 PM

What equipment are you lungeing in? Ideally a caveson of some type. Horses do not pull, people do. Where are you starting (in the arena)? Hopefully in a corner, or somewhere with at least two sides. Are you standing still or walking? Are you using vibrations/hh to communicate? Keeping steady but light contact? Starting in walk on a small circle, or ??

franknbeans 01-03-2014 12:05 PM

Is it just me? I lunge in a halter. I have lunged in side reins, but not for years. Just the rope halter and long line. When mine doesn't behave I make him stop and face me and start again.

SEAmom 01-03-2014 12:20 PM

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I just typically lunge in a halter. I don't ever lunge in a round pen, though.

Try starting at the walk and work on spiraling in and out of the circle. Your horse has to learn how to respect you and the line. Once you can walk and halt calmly and make the circle as big or small as you want, then move on to the trot working with the same idea. Then, move on to canter.
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spirit88 01-03-2014 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=equitate;4441498]What equipment are you lungeing in? Ideally a caveson of some type. Horses do not pull, people do.

And what planet are you living on if you think horses dont pull get real:?. Horses can and do pull on you when being lunged. All i can say is you havent been around horses long if you think that.

OP id be using a rope halter with the knotts on the nose band when he pulls give him a good jerk. Nylon flat halter are no good for lunging easy for horse to lean into,and get to pulling on you.

Every time he gets to pulling id give a good quick jerk on the line. Thats where a rope halter really helps they have more bit when jerked on.

sorral3 01-03-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by equitate (Post 4441498)
What equipment are you lungeing in? Ideally a caveson of some type. Horses do not pull, people do.

And what planet are you living on if you think horses dont pull get real:?. Horses can and do pull on you when being lunged. All i can say is you havent been around horses long if you think that.

OP id be using a rope halter with the knotts on the nose band when he pulls give him a good jerk. Nylon flat halter are no good for lunging easy for horse to lean into,and get to pulling on you.

Every time he gets to pulling id give a good quick jerk on the line. Thats where a rope halter really helps they have more bit when jerked on.

glad you said it so I didn't have to

DancingArabian 01-03-2014 12:38 PM

If you go the cavesson route see if you can borrow one first. My horse HATES the lunging cavesson - doesn't like the ring on his nose and just tosses his head constantly. I lunge him in his bridle or halter when I actually do lunge.
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equitate 01-03-2014 06:02 PM

I have trained horses for more than 50 years, at all levels in all disciplines, retraining more horses than I can count. Horses do what the handler allows. Start methodically. If the handler does not require focus or creates lack of balance horses will end up pulling to find their balance. By using half halts/vibrations/positioning the horse will learn to focus and then stretch (if there are not side reins). I too used to be more agressive, but the older I get the more I find that it is unnecessary in most cases.

Why use equipment for pain, why not train methodically and avoid jerks? For hundreds of years horses have been lunged in cavesons/serratas without aggression. Usually if there is head tossing/etc it is not fitted correctly (difficult to find a nicely padded lunge caveson with a jaw strap, easier to find a non serrated serrata (narrower than a caveson).

Lungeing off the bit should only be used as a last opinion, and then carefully so the bars are not impacted.

spirit88 01-03-2014 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=equitate;4444266]
Why use equipment for pain, why not train methodically and avoid jerks? For hundreds of years horses have been lunged in cavesons/serratas without aggression. Usually if there is head tossing/etc it is not fitted correctly (difficult to find a nicely padded lunge caveson with a jaw strap, easier to find a non serrated serrata (narrower than a caveson


For your information rope halters with knotts on nose band doesnt cause pain. Maybe in fairy land you never have to jerk on a horse,but in real life it happens.

Just for you info every horse i train is soft supple and very willing all because of pain NOT. All the big trainers like clinton anderson, pat parelli use rope halters so id say cant be all bad.

Horses kick and bite each other so i honestly dout i could cause more pain then that. Think what you like but how i train works and no pain involved. When i lunge one of my horses theres slack in the rope because they been taught not to pull on me...isnt that amazing.:shock:


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