question about possible stallion
The girl at my barn was just recently given a new horse. Today I noticed that when he was around the mares his goober was hanging out and even dripping a little. He is supposed to be gelded...but if he is a gelding, should he be dripping like that? This horse seems to be pretty aggressive towards other horses and I'm worried about my own horse. Right now the horse is staying in a stall, so it's not a problem, but I know the woman who owns him has plans of turning him out once he is more adjusted. I don't ever plan on putting my horse in the fence with him, but the paddock he will be turned out in is adjoining the pasture...the pasture has me and my sisters geldings and 2 mares. The only thing separating the pasture from the paddock is an electric fence, which I feel strongly that he could easily run through if he has enough motive (like mares in season). I am really worried about him injuring my horse if he were to get in the pasture. Am I being reasonable or overprotective?
I think your being perfectly reasonable. Even if he is a gelding and not a stallion, he could still injure your horse if they don't know each other and aren't comfortable with each other.
You need to voice your fears to the barn manager and the horse owner. Geldings do get sexually excited - especially those classified as an "alpha" male ie leaders of the herd.
From time to time, the gelding process is unsatisfactory and leaves what is known as a "rig" - these horses retain some stallion tendencies - this is not a common occurence but it happens. Only the vet can arrive at the correct answer after testing the horse.
Horses create a heirachy even in a small herd. A new horse has to find its place in the ranking. This new gelding is not doing anything which nature did not intend but it could be distressing for you especially if your horse is injured in the process of running away. Wire fencing is always a danger as are bite marks on the back.
The owner of the gelding, if a responsible owner, should not want for there to be an incident. Talk to her about your fears. After all, she does not know her new horse any better than you do.
Be persistent - your fears are not unjustified.
PS Do you know why the gelding was given away?
Ty for your replies britt and barry godden. The woman said that the reason that she is giving him away is because he is to much horse for her. She said that she wanted a nice quiet family horse...she said that she was unable to sell the horse because he needed an experienced rider. The horse is actually 18 yrs old, but you'd never know it...especially if there is a mare around. The girl at our barn who owns the horse now put him in with her gelding yesterday and her gelding now has a gash in his side and the two didn't quit fighting....she had to separate them. That makes me worry that he is just entirely to aggressive.
You will never rest easy whilst that horse is around.
Push to get it moved away.
Some horses are aggressive - they are not all flighty run away animals - some stand and fight for their corner. It is nature. But either your horse submits or it will persist in trying to be dominant.
Either you move your horse or that horse is moved.
There is a saying "never look a gift horse in the mouth" but with horses that saying doesn't apply.
Quite a few years back I bought a 3 year old "gelding". Very handsome horse, smart, and took to training very easily. After a few months we went trail riding and each time a mare went by him he would get very studish and once or twice (he had taken me quite by surprise) he would lunge at the mare and try to bite her in the wither area.
I suspected a problem and had the vet out to draw blood. Sure enough, after a through exam and a blood analysis, we concluded that he was a cryptorchid. When he was gelded, one of his testicles had not drooped so it wasn't removed. In actuality, he was still a stallion.
Your problem horse is 18. That is a long time for a horse to go undetected as a cryptorchid unless his past owners were unaware and just considered him to be an unruly horse. In any case I certainly would not want any horse of mine to be within range of him and you are right that an electric fence will not be adequate in keeping him separated.
Ty so much everyone for your advice. Now that I know I am not just being to overprotective, I feel justified in saying something. I am going to talk to his owner about different turnout times. Maybe our horses can be turned out during the day and him be turned out at night or vise versa. We each have a stall for our horses. If she won't agree to that then I will got to the BO.
You can check to see if he's still a stallion. And if he's not, they might have castrated him wrong. Or he might have been recently gelded and still needs to get the hormones out of his system.
You're not being unreasonable at all. He could seriously hurt any other horse he's put out with. If I was you, I would insist that the new horse be put in an adjacent paddock so he can meet the others over the fence. That'll give you an idea of how they'll respond when they're put together. And if the new one is really aggressive, for the love of god, don't put him with the others. I hope everything goes well. :)
Maybe he was gelded later in life? We have 2 geldings at the farm that were gelded as 3yr olds, and they are both very agressive with other horses. We have very tall 4 board fencing, and one broke through his paddock, through the next fence into the yearling paddock and beat the living heck out of a colt. He had him pinned on the ground! So, ya, an electric fence might not help. You have every right to be worried - I wouldn't put my horses out with him!
Oh, I wanted to say that maybe they should test his blood for hormone levels - if he was dribbling, (eeeewwww!) ya just never know if hes a rig or not. The only time I've ever seen dribble is from stallions. I could be wrong, i dunno, but I've never seen a gelding do it.
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