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kimberlyrae1993 02-06-2014 12:59 PM

Advice on putting weight on 13 year old under weight thoroughbred *PICTURES*
 
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I took in an under weight thoroughbred mare she was put in pasture with nothing else she has been checked by vet her teeth are good up to date Coggins and Dewormed she is on Nutrena Pro force Fuel 8 quarts in a day 4 in morning 4 at night as well as 2 quarts of soaked beet pulp and 24/7 turn out with free choice hay all day long with fresh water all day and mineral block
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So what would you change or add and what would you do for exercise to prevent becoming hot

Endiku 02-06-2014 07:04 PM

I won't comment on the grain because I'm not familiar with it. The beet pulp is great. Is the 2 quarts after soaking, or before? And is it 2 quarts per meal or all together? You might be able to give her more.

Free choice hay is a fantastic start and what will help her the most. What kind of hay is she getting? Making part of that alfalfa hay (30% or so should suffice, so maybe two flakes a day?) can also help.

I wouldn't exercise her at all at this point, but give her space to run around if she feels like it. Right now she needs all of those calories for gaining fat, and likely won't be feeling too full of it anyways at this weight.

kimberlyrae1993 02-06-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Endiku (Post 4704993)
I won't comment on the grain because I'm not familiar with it. The beet pulp is great. Is the 2 quarts after soaking, or before? And is it 2 quarts per meal or all together? You might be able to give her more.

Free choice hay is a fantastic start and what will help her the most. What kind of hay is she getting? Making part of that alfalfa hay (30% or so should suffice, so maybe two flakes a day?) can also help.

I wouldn't exercise her at all at this point, but give her space to run around if she feels like it. Right now she needs all of those calories for gaining fat, and likely won't be feeling too full of it anyways at this weight.

The beet pulp is 1 quart before soaking twice a day to a total of 2 quarts. She has quite a bit of energy so far but the hay is coastal.. should I add alfalfa?
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Eolith 02-06-2014 07:37 PM

I give Canola oil to horses I really want to see more weight on. Usually about 8 oz per day divided into two feedings. If you try it out, work up to it gradually by adding two ounces per week until you're up to however many you want to feed.

Endiku 02-06-2014 07:45 PM

If you can get it and she doesn't seem to be gaining on everything else, you might consider it. If she's gaining on what you have her on though, I'd say just let her be.

waresbear 02-06-2014 08:06 PM

It takes time, sounds like you are taking good care of her.

mammakatja 02-06-2014 08:29 PM

Yup. Sounds like a great start. I have a 31 year old Tennessee Walker that has absolutely no back teeth and I use beet pulp to keep weight on him because he can't eat hay at all. When you say 1 quart per feeding before soaking are you talking about beet pulp pellets or shreds? The reason I ask is because the pellets expand to much more than a quart of shreds. I like using pellets if I have the time to soak because they really seem to give you more bang for your buck. I feed my boy about 2 lbs unsoaked per feeding which equals to about 1.5 quarts I think. But like I said, I have to make up for hay. Something else that I like to add which really makes a difference in my opinion is rice bran. Fortified is better but way more expensive. I buy the unfortified which is about $11 for a 50lb bag because I go through it quick enough that it doesn't go bad. THat's a big reason why people like the fortified better because it doesn't spoil like unfortified supposedly does. I've never had a bag go bad though. And like someone else already mentioned, I add oil but I use vegetable oil. I add about 1/2 cup per feeding. Good luck with your mare. I look forward to seeing improvement pics. :)

its lbs not miles 02-06-2014 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kimberlyrae1993 (Post 4702386)
I took in an under weight thoroughbred mare she was put in pasture with nothing else she has been checked by vet her teeth are good up to date Coggins and Dewormed she is on Nutrena Pro force Fuel 8 quarts in a day 4 in morning 4 at night as well as 2 quarts of soaked beet pulp and 24/7 turn out with free choice hay all day long with fresh water all day and mineral block
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So what would you change or add and what would you do for exercise to prevent becoming hot

I won't go into the supplements for the needed minerals and amino acids. Just don't have the energy tonight and the information is available online anyway.

For good, healthy (i.e. works well with the equine digestive system, allowing for everything to work correctly without messing with things like the microbes needed for long fiber in the hindgut vs the undesirable ones that build up from grain), high calorie and easy to digest the best two things I know of are beet pulp and copra.
Beet pulp is easy to digest fiber for the hindgut with about 1/3 or more nutritional value than hay (depending on the hay for more than 1/3).
Copra is super easy to digest in the foregut and goes straight into their system from there. Loaded with calories.
Both basically have low NSC. Both are basically "cold" feeds (which is great). Beet pulp can have sugars if it's been treated with molasses, but that can be rinsed off when soaking. Or you can find some that hasn't been treated with molasses which doesn't have the sugar problem.

Keep the hay in front of them. Best quality you can find/afford. Once his conditioning improves you can cut back or the high quality stuff.

NOTE: All changes to diet need to be done gradually, with the new items increased in stages. Horses digestive systems do not tend to deal well with sudden/significant changes in their diet.

Not supper bad off from the picture. Shouldn't take terribly long before it's looking good. Remember not to over do it. They are better off being a little lean than they are being overweight (which tends to create even more problems). Better to have the ribs slightly visible (which is actually a good weight anyway) than to have to press to feel them (which to often tends to be the case).

kimberlyrae1993 02-11-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by its lbs not miles (Post 4705753)
I won't go into the supplements for the needed minerals and amino acids. Just don't have the energy tonight and the information is available online anyway.

For good, healthy (i.e. works well with the equine digestive system, allowing for everything to work correctly without messing with things like the microbes needed for long fiber in the hindgut vs the undesirable ones that build up from grain), high calorie and easy to digest the best two things I know of are beet pulp and copra.
Beet pulp is easy to digest fiber for the hindgut with about 1/3 or more nutritional value than hay (depending on the hay for more than 1/3).
Copra is super easy to digest in the foregut and goes straight into their system from there. Loaded with calories.
Both basically have low NSC. Both are basically "cold" feeds (which is great). Beet pulp can have sugars if it's been treated with molasses, but that can be rinsed off when soaking. Or you can find some that hasn't been treated with molasses which doesn't have the sugar problem.

Keep the hay in front of them. Best quality you can find/afford. Once his conditioning improves you can cut back or the high quality stuff.

NOTE: All changes to diet need to be done gradually, with the new items increased in stages. Horses digestive systems do not tend to deal well with sudden/significant changes in their diet.

Not supper bad off from the picture. Shouldn't take terribly long before it's looking good. Remember not to over do it. They are better off being a little lean than they are being overweight (which tends to create even more problems). Better to have the ribs slightly visible (which is actually a good weight anyway) than to have to press to feel them (which to often tends to be the case).

Thanks she seems to be gaining nicely so far just have never had a horse this skinny...
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HollyBubbles 02-12-2014 03:23 AM

I can't help with the feed, I think everyone so far has done a great job with that already..

but one thing I would suggest is take body shots once a week, same angles each week. Because you see her every day, the changes will be less noticeable to you every day than they would be to someone who doesn't see her quite as often, and the photos will be a good measure of how fast she is gaining, and how much she needs to keep going


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