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disastercupcake 02-21-2014 04:55 PM

Suppling, and it's affects on the Horse
 
Hello everyone,

I was not certain if this was the correct place to start a discussion on the specific training methods of some the people that have been discussed here, and if it's not, I apologize.

As far as the topic of discussion, Suppling in this instance includes the methods specifially of Baucher. He seems to have been one of the first proponents of this method, and I have noticed that there a very many Natural Horsemanship people following in these footsteps.

What do you think of these methods? Is there merit in dissociating the head and neck from the rest of the horse? Surely it creates a very obedient horse, but at what cost?

Not agreeing or disagreeing with any techniques or trainer specifically, only interested in a real discussion about the good/bad of this technique.

Northernstar 02-21-2014 05:07 PM

Never heard of such a thing - doesn't sound like anything I'd be interested in doing with my horses!

Incitatus32 02-21-2014 05:27 PM

Never heard of it either. Do you have any links I could use to learn so that I make an educated decision? lol I don't want to google and get the wrong thing!

Beling 02-22-2014 02:01 PM

I think that's a good question.

I've been reading trainers who feel the horse can already "do" everything, and that suppling exercises are, in fact, more for refining aids, and teaching submissiveness. It's interesting that a lot of these trainers ride Baroque horses. (Look for trainers stressing "lightness.") They feel that once you've got them completely submissive -- that is, listening and happy to oblige -- everything is possible.

But in my own experience, I feel the exercises do help expand the range of comfortable movement. To me, exercises like half-pass are just that, exercises for my horses, which they will definitely not do out in the pasture on their own! Note: I ride ordinary back-yard breeds.

Forgot to add: the flexing of the neck etc. can also go beyond submissive-training. I think it really helps my horses to know they can flex their necks this way and that, and not fall over, even with all that weight on them. Otherwise, they don't need neck-stretching exercises. THAT they do all the time while browsing.

Saddlebag 02-22-2014 06:12 PM

Google Jane Savoie and see what she has to say about suppling. She's a good teacher and explains well.

tinyliny 02-22-2014 06:17 PM

which things by Baucher are you referrring to?

He wrote two different treatises on horsemanship , differeing from the first to the second by quite a lot.

disastercupcake 02-22-2014 08:45 PM

Tinylily, referring to his second treatise.

He seems entirely confident that he can (could) supple a horse with deficient conformatiin to perform tasks of a greater gifted horse.. in only 8-10 days.
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disastercupcake 02-22-2014 08:50 PM

He often compares his methids with classical methods, those of the Germans spefically. He compares the way dressage horses are ridden on the haunches, which he called unbalanced, to riding with the hind and fore equally lifted and light.
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equitate 02-23-2014 02:10 AM

Bsm (second method) is not for suppling per se, it is for creating balance/reactions to aids. The first actions are standing flexions done in hand. First, lifting the bit lightly in the mouth to create mobility in the jaw and a better balance. The second action is millimeters of lateral flexibity (at the atlas/axis). The third action is to calculated to be able to mobilize the jaw and extend the neck. Then those actions are done in hand in walk. Then when the rider mounts the mouth is more educated as to the use of half halts (demi arrets) and helps with balance/ease of the horse choosing to go forward, etc. The horse is trained progressively (and not in few days). (Lateral flexions are very calculated..at the atlas-axis) and not focused on longitudinal flexion which comes over time and in motion).

Some information about how these actions cause the horse to use its body as a response: Philippe Karl Ecole de Légèreté - News: Taking over equestrian culture

Beling 02-23-2014 03:09 PM

Thanks, equitate, that was fascinating! I've got to get his book!

I've been around awhile, and have all kinds of "broken up" training approaches mixed up in my brain, so I really appreciate coherent explanations.

Interestingly, in the recent "Dressage Today" magazine there's a picture of S. Peters, and I kept thinking there was something a little wrong with it; and now I can see, his horse is definitely on the forehand.


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