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Comparing labels on suppliments-questions??
I am considering adding a hoof suppliment to my horses diet. I have him on two other things as well and I am comparing the ingredients in the three products.
I had asked my vet about adding Farrier's Formula to my horses diet and forgot to mention one of the things he was on.
When she comes to do his Flu/Rhino vaccine I will ask her again about the 3 products just to be certain.
The reason I brought it up on the forum is because I am wondering if anyone else compares the ingredients?
When doing the comparrison how do you know if there will be an over lap of a certain ingredient thus causing the horse to have to much of a certain thing?
For instance you wouldn't want to much Selenium. How do you know the total or max amount for each vitamin or suppliment?
What I have done is taken the 3 products and cut and pasted the ingredients of each on into a word document. I used a seperate page for each product in order to visually compare them.
The three products are Safe Choice, Grand Synergy HA, and Farrier's Formula Double Strength.
The problem is I am not sure how to tell what the max amount of each thing is. I don't want to give to much of anything in particular.
Also I will make sure my vet agree's on the 12th when she will give his shots.
I am totally open to hearing how others go through this process. I also understand this is a forum and everyone has a different way of doing things and it is always best to seek the advice of your Vet.
Just thought it was an interesting subject, and also thought it would be something for others to learn from.
So that being said lets hear how you do things???
My horse is on a joint supplement and a hoof supplement. I didn't bother comparing the two, because they were so different, and quite frankly, it didn't occur to me. I only ever compared one joint supplement to another to see what had the most to offer based on price. I found that there is one brand of joint supp. that has the EXACT same stuff as the Next Level joint supp. for HALF the price. Guess what I bought? As far as a hoof supplement, it's the Biotin or something like that that you want, so look through the different hoof supplements in your tack shop or whatever and see what has the most. Either way, I'd suggest Horseshoer's Secret, it's done amazing things for Ricci's feet. =]
Go to smartpakequine.com - they have a ton of supplements with great info on all of them.
Grand HA Synergy from SmartPak Equine
Here's FF - Double:
Farrier's Formula Double Strength from SmartPak Equine
Here's Safe Choice:
Nutrena Horse Feed: SafeChoice
You can compare pretty much everything in them with those 3 websites.
If it's selenium levels you're worried about then check this map to see how much is found naturally in the soil in your area:
Selenium in Counties of the Conterminous States
Here's an excellent artical on balancing selenium levels in horses:
One quote, imparticular: "The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has set a recommended daily limit for selenium intake in horses at 0.3 ppm (parts per million) or 3 mg per day."
What you're talking about is horse nutrition. They have plenty of books available (sorry i cant give you any off the top of my head) that cover these topics and what is the recommended amount of various nutrients, as far as supplements go.
Personally, I don't look at the labels unless im comparing brands in specific supplement categories. But for the record, right now I'm using Flex-Force for his joints, Optizyme probiotics, Hoof HF for his hooves and Super 14 for his skin/coat. However, I'm in the process of switching him to Joint combo Hoof and Coat and putting him on U-Gaurd.
Isn't Safe Choice a feed, not a supplement? I know thats what my boy gets, and we use it because its starch controlled.
the only hoof supplement we use is just plain biotin. i dont bother with all the other stuff. biotin is the best thing for a horses feet
Yes it is nutrition. Thanks My Beau for the websites. I already got the info from them. But I loved the map it was cool. I am not real concerned about Selenium just used it as an example.
I am always reading everything so I just wanted to know if other people thought about it too.
Just thought is was interesting to see what types of things people use.
I did check out spartpak and they are pretty cool as well.
Ricci, glad to hear your horses feet were better after the HS. I have read lots of encouraging things about a few different Hoof supliments.
Using selenium as an example - the Safe Choice has some in it, and if a supplement has selenium in it as well you need to add up the 2 amounts and make sure you aren't feeding your horse too much (lethal dose).
Talk to your vet or an equine nutritionist.
Personally, I have found that as long as the horse is getting adequate nutrition from their feed they don't need extra supplements. A high fat diet does amazing things for their coats and hooves, and if you are still unsatisfied with those results, I know people at my barn feed this kelp stuff that is really cheap and loaded with biotin to keep their horses coat and hooves healthy. Try to keep the diet simple.
I subscribe to a nutritional/ diet analysis service/program called Feed XL.com I can highly recommend it, and it's saved me money, not to mention the hassle, confusion & frustration of trying to balance diets properly on my own. One thing I've learned with it's use is not to believe everything on the packaging of feeds or supps, and that you generally get what you pay for. Eg. the supp I chose as the best for my guys was so expensive for a 20kg bag I nearly fell over! It's $170 per bag! But when I did the sums & worked out that I only needed to feed 65g to my big horses(way less than the package says too) and half that to the ponies, it works out quite economically after all.
Regarding specific hoof supps, if a horse has a well balanced diet, his feet should be fine. Hooves & coat are the extremities which are the first to show body deficiencies. If you know you're short of certain nutrients which are supplied in a hoof supp, then it is probably best to feed one tho.
Regarding biotin being 'the best' thing or 'the only thing' needed for feet, that's not correct at all. Biotin might be the most well known, but it is but one of many necessary ingredients. It is also something that horses who get enough green forage - either fresh grass or alfalfa or such - tend not to need extra of, so is often a waste when supplemented.
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