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barrelbeginner 03-04-2014 04:23 PM

RE: can any horse to pleasure. CRRIT
 
Decided I would start a new thread in hopes of getting more thoughts. Yes He isn't 'jogging' in this video. I don't think he will ever get that sloow.. and it was windy.. so he was 'fresh' haha... anyways if you have seen my videos or read anything I have wrote.. i WAS using him as a barrel horse. So he HAS slowed down a bit.. NICE CRITIQUE is welcome.. Please dont tear my horse apart or me.. that won't really help.. but any tips would be appreciated:) thanks..

Here is this..

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/y...pse163b15f.jpg

Or the link if ^^ wont work

MOV019_zpse163b15f.mp4 Video by sjsj_2009 | Photobucket

thanks..

barrelbeginner 03-04-2014 04:23 PM

By the way just click the picture and it should pull up the video.. Dont mind my hair hahahahah

Cynical25 03-04-2014 05:58 PM

You can absolutely enter a WP class. But why do that to this horse? It's not built or trained for western pleasure and it's unlikely he would enjoy WP. That big trot stride which has you bouncing out of the saddle and the pinned ears when you tried to slow him down is not demonstrating a happy horse which is a "pleasure" to ride - the overall picture is what WP is about, not just how low & slow can you go.

Showing is playing a scripted part better than everyone else - we are paying for a judge to say "you fit the mold I like best." You will be out of place in a WP class; you will likely be flying past the bulk of other riders, potentially making your horse or theirs nervous or distracted. You will likely irritate your fellow competitors who have been working hard to succeed in this particular event, and you & your horse may earn a first-look reputation as "that crazy paint" rather than making new friends.

Show your lovely horse some respect for his unique traits and abilities by participating in classes that let him shine! Ranch pleasure, equitation, western riding, or trail may be better options for letting this horse try something other than speed events.

That said, I started my 4-H showing career on an inappropriate mount. We participated in exclusively novice classes so we didn't negatively affected more serious competitors. My little backyard grade horse tried her heart out for me, but she was so happy to return to her trails when I bought a show horse for the next season.

barrelbeginner 03-04-2014 07:05 PM

Thanks for your reply. I think his ears were pinned because of the wind. I wish I had a different video to show you. I work with what I have. I am not only going to do WP but halter and trail as well. I will try and do as many things as I can with him this summer to get ready for the fair show.

Also I believe that once he gets an adjustment he will do better ( as you can tell he is out in his hip area:/ I just need to contact a chiropractor- and get paid)

I am glad you gave me your opinion though. It's a work in progress though and I haven't been working with him on collection and slowing things down for that long:)

kiltsrhott 03-04-2014 08:42 PM

Well, he does need some work, but I don't think some WP is out of the question. With a little more work to get him to relax and move with some more consistency, you have a shot. Most horses are capable of doing western or English pleasure but pleasure is not nearly as easy as it looks. It takes a lot of work to get any horse to look as pleasurable as they need to to place well. If that's what you want to do, then go for it! Don't let nay-sayers on the internet tell you what you can or cannot do with your horse. That is for you determine!

I do agree that your horse looks somewhat off in his stride. A visit from a chiropractor is a good idea. You could benefit from some lessons too, and maybe some stirrupless riding to help solidify your seat. You don't look bad, but there are a few little things you could work on. The first thing I notice is that you are bouncing quite a bit and could use to relax your hips.

barrelbeginner 03-04-2014 10:15 PM

Thanks:) I do realize I am bouncing around to. Haha he gets that way sometimes. :) which makes it hard to sit
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tinyliny 03-04-2014 10:23 PM

I have the faintest impression he is off in front. but, I don't see why this horse could not do WP.

barrelbeginner 03-04-2014 10:41 PM

Thank you tiny. It was muddy? So maybe a reason for your thinking? He also has shoes only I'm the back? And I believe with more practice we will be good for local shows .

Thanks
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smrobs 03-05-2014 01:33 AM

Yes, he's a bit off but hopefully a chiro will be able to get him straightened out.

You can absolutely do WP at lower levels with him. Whether or not you'll place will depend on what the judge is looking for and what else is in the class. He does have more suspension and animation in his limbs than what is "ideal" but that's just what he is and you can't change that.

This might give you something to work on. I've had great success with it but you have to be really careful that you get the horse to stop and back from their hind end instead of their front legs and shoulders.
The Road of a Horse Trainer: Teaching "Cruise Control"

He's already much slower and flatter through his topline than what I was expecting to see from a former barrel horse so you likely won't have as much work to do as what I was thinking. The biggest problem I really see is that he's not collected at all. He's flopping around on the forehand and that's one of the reasons why he's riding so rough.

beau159 03-05-2014 10:56 AM

I love his walk, for the record. ;-)

Agree with the others that his trot is not collected; hence the bouncing. What I do with my horse Red is lots of small circles and lots of bending. I find that helps him get his hind end underneath himself and make him use his butt and relax into the gait.

Something looks "off" to me too in his trot. He's got a weird little bop going on. A chiro check and a vet check is in order.

I know you didn't post any loping in this video, but really make sure that one of the things you work on in your TRANSITIONS. You want to teach him to go from a walk to a nice lope (on the correct lead) with no trotting in-between. It will take some time to achieve that, but make it something to work on.

I like him though!


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